06-07-2012, 01:38 PM
Location: White Plains, Maryland
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DWI and DUI are two different charges as well.... so the charges and processes won't be the same.. especially not in different states....
06-07-2012, 01:51 PM
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Well, hold on a sec. MADD is a very powerful lobby and has a lot of influence with regard to laws on DUIs, and because they are one of the loudest, the laws are disproportionate with other, similarly-dangerous, driving-related infractions.
Quite so. I was originally a big supporter of MADD. I grew up in the 60's and saw first hand how utterly rampant DUI was back then. It was all "Well, boys will be boys", and "They've just got to get it out of their systems" back then, but that didn't sound so good when spoken over the bodies of dead people. Education and designated-driver programs were a great thing at the start, but MADD ultimately didn't know enough to go away when it wasn't needed anymore. It became more about the incomes of people working at MADD than about what once had been its mission. Even founder Candy Lightner has denounced MADD in the modern and mutated form that makes it little more than a group of latter-day prohibitionists. Today, they simply hate alcohol. Needless to say, I do NOT support them any longer and frankly, neither should anyone else.
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If I was in charge of the world, I would have a single violation called Distracted Driving. It would include, being impaired by any substance, eating, talking on a cell phone, texting, and really anything else that takes your attention away from the road.
That's a much more rational throught than what most others have posted here. But as you seek to refine your proposal, bear in mind that not all "attention" is derived from the same centers in the brain. By that I mean that some functions compete with the demands of driving and are therefore very dangerous -- cell phones and texting fall into this category -- while others do not compete with the demands of driving and are -- up to a point at least -- relatively harmless. Eating, drinking, smoking, and normal conversation are examples of such things.
06-07-2012, 02:13 PM
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I think there's a huge difference between being just over the limit (which is still irresponsible and illegal) and sloppy, falling-down drunk. Both deserve punishment, but the latter deserves more.
Again, why do we allow people to put themselves in that situation? Isn't there a huge hole in th supposed safety net if we wait until AFTER the fact in order to take protective actions?
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And that isn't putting oneself on a high horse. Because sure, many of us may run afoul of some minor law on occasion--but occasional speeding or putting recyclables in the trash isn't the same thing.
Even if you carry a pocket breathalyzer with you (does anyone here actually do that, by the way?), it is very difficult to tell what your BAC is, and with the law set as low as it is, you can blow perfectly legal at one point and then over the limit ten minutes later without having had anything to drink in the meantime. The current system is not being run to protect anything but the profits that those involved in the corrections and alleged rehabilitation industries earn. There is nothing more to it than that. Become even innocently involved with this system, and no questions aksed, it will simply chew you up as if you'd fallen into a giant paper shredder.
06-07-2012, 02:21 PM
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Again, why do we allow people to put themselves in that situation? Isn't there a huge hole in th supposed safety net if we wait until AFTER the fact in order to take protective actions?
This is why my own personal max if I'm driving is one beer, possibly two if I'm going to be somewhere for more than a couple of hours and will be eating. (I stick to beer if I'm out somewhere, as it's the easiest to measure and slowest to drink.) I don't have to worry about being over the limit. If I were determined to drink more than that for some reason, then I would have someone else drive.
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Even if you carry a pocket breathalyzer with you (does anyone here actually do that, by the way?), it is very difficult to tell what your BAC is, and with the law set as low as it is, you can blow perfectly legal at one point and then over the limit ten minutes later without having had anything to drink in the meantime.
Not being A LEO, I have no idea if there is any truth to this. Any LEOs want to comment? I would think that if brethalyzers were notoriously unreliable, there would be so many lawsuits that LE orgs would quit using them.
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The current system is not being run to protect anything but the profits that those involved in the corrections and alleged rehabilitation industries earn. There is nothing more to it than that. Become even innocently involved with this system, and no questions aksed, it will simply chew you up as if you'd fallen into a giant paper shredder.
That's a pretty far-fetched theory. "Innocently involved"? If you have one or two beers over a couple of hours and eat something, you're not going be involved at all. I was pulled over once after having one beer (and about 20 chicken wings) in Vermont because I failed to yield at a yield sign on a dark road; the trooper gave me the field test and sent me on my way, as I was obviously sober. And I admitted having the one beer. I don't see a conspiracy here. If anything, I think there are way more people who get away with driving drunk than are being given DUIs.
(The now-repealed DC law stipulating that anyone who admits upon being pulled over that they have consumed one drink or more would be put in a holding cell would support your claim--but I think that was, fortunately, an anomaly. And they got rid of it.)
06-07-2012, 02:55 PM
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You want to explain where half of what's above has anything to do with the OP's OLD post?
06-07-2012, 03:34 PM
Location: No Mask For Me This Time, Either
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"What can I expect after being charged with a DWI?"
From your explanation, I think you can expect a life of further bad choices followed by failure. But that's just my opinion and low expectations of those who drink and drive. I'm thankful you didn't kill someone. You should be twice as thankful.
06-07-2012, 04:01 PM
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MADD spends zero on victims' assistance.
06-08-2012, 04:10 AM
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Good luck with getting a security clearance after you're convicted. Around here that can be the worst penalty.
06-08-2012, 04:19 AM
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I am in my thirty's and I have NEVER ever been in any trouble until now...
After a horrible and regretful decision to drink and drive, I blew over a .15 BAC in Fairfax County and from what I read, that involves a MANDATORY 5 day jail sentence....
Does anyone have any experience? I have already retained a lawyer, but just wondering if anyone has any first-hand accounts of how things went down, and the eventual results...
My lawyer said they'll try to get a plea bargain, and in their opinion, I won't see jail time, but they can't guarantee anything (not to mention this is what the lawyer told me before I signed a contract and paid the lawyer).
I can't afford to go to jail... Also, realistically when should my lawyer know when the plea offer is?
I believe your jail time or no jail time will end up depending on the judge you get, if you have ever been in trouble before, how high was your BAC, how did you behave when arrested..lots of stuff. If you have never been in trouble as you say then chances are this won't land your butt in jail. Regardless of what happens, you would have had to pay your attorney anyhow to represent you. Its how the system works.
I was married at one time to a flaming alcoholic who got stopped on a regular basis and one time even got into a high speed chase with the cops. He never did any serious jail time and I also paid a ton of money to keep him out..my bad because he could have hurt someone else really bad with is erratic driving. He plowed me and our son into a telephone pole one time driving drunk and refused to let me drive the rest of the way home..yes he left the scene of the accident. He has rolled vehicles over, caught vehicles on fire and more. He is still driving as far as I know only both his son and I stopped living with this alcoholic moron years ago.
Let this all be a lesson to you as I am sure you have repeatedly heard since it happened. Life is too precious to waste taking that risk driving even with one drink and you certainly do not want to waste it in jail. Good luck with this...
06-08-2012, 05:05 AM
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Good luck with getting a security clearance after you're convicted. Around here that can be the worst penalty.
Except it's not. At least if you already have one, they typically allow you a buffer zone of 1 DUI as long as you self report. I know people who have obtained them from scratch with worse on their record as well..
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People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the deaf (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the blind (%)
People in Group quarters - Orthopedic wards and institutions for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in general hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in military hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Juvenile institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Long-term care (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for abused, dependent, and neglected children (%)
People in Group quarters - Residential treatment centers for emotionally disturbed children (%)
People in Group quarters - Training schools for juvenile delinquents (%)
People in Group quarters - Short-term care, detention or diagnostic centers for delinquent children (%)
People in Group quarters - Type of juvenile institution unknown (%)
People in Group quarters - Noninstitutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - College dormitories (includes college quarters off campus) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - On base (%)
People in Group quarters - Barracks, unaccompanied personnel housing (UPH), (Enlisted/Officer), ;and similar group living quarters for military personnel (%)
People in Group quarters - Transient quarters for temporary residents (%)
People in Group quarters - Military ships (%)
People in Group quarters - Group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes or halfway houses for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)