06-15-2013, 08:50 PM
Location: My beloved Bluegrass
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Gag? Really. Picking up a beloved family pet makes you gag?
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Why would it make you gag? Havent you loved your pet for years?
Death is a scary thing. Dead things are frightening. Different people handle and react to things differently. Don't judge her, she is having a bad enough day as it is.
06-16-2013, 01:42 AM
Location: Brambleton, VA
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Come on...people may react differently, but I have loved all of my pets and lost quite a few over the years and yet have never had that reaction. They were family and it wasn't too long ago that I lost my cat while my husband was out of town. I have a toddler and still was able to treat her with the dignity she deserved. Although it was quite a shock, I would have never typed that and don't know anyone who would have either.
I suppose I should be grateful that I wasn't one of those people that had a child and demoted their animals in such a way that I thought of picking up their dead bodies as being horrible, or even thought about what may happen when the sun came up. We all deal with loss differently, but most people aren't heartless...I certainly would have never considered animal control as an option to pick up a family member.
06-16-2013, 07:00 AM
Location: My beloved Bluegrass
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This is no longer her beloved pet, but a decaying body. Like I said, people react differently. My father found his very beloved elderly uncle dead. He promptly threw up and couldn't even go back in the room, let alone touch him. My then teenage brother, on the other hand, sat with the body until the paramedics came. My father mourned his loss for years afterwards, his reaction did not reflect a lack of love or care, but his never touched that body again because he simply couldn't. Just because your reaction would be to touch or hold the dearly departed, does not mean that someone else's different reaction is wrong. How we handle grief is a very individual thing. We don't have paramedics that come for deceased pets or medical examiners. The is not a frequent event in person's life, and there really isn't a culturally normed protocol for it. Just so you know, most deceased pets end up at the landfill.
06-16-2013, 08:47 AM
Location: Brambleton, VA
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This is no longer her beloved pet, but a decaying body. Like I said, people react differently. My father found his very beloved elderly uncle dead. He promptly threw up and couldn't even go back in the room, let alone touch him. My then teenage brother, on the other hand, sat with the body until the paramedics came. My father mourned his loss for years afterwards, his reaction did not reflect a lack of love or care, but his never touched that body again because he simply couldn't. Just because your reaction would be to touch or hold the dearly departed, does not mean that someone else's different reaction is wrong. How we handle grief is a very individual thing. We don't have paramedics that come for deceased pets or medical examiners. The is not a frequent event in person's life, and there really isn't a culturally normed protocol for it. Just so you know, most deceased pets end up at the landfill.
An animal is not the same as a human dead body. Most people don't have the emotional connection to a human that they do an animal. So, a human body is not something anyone wants to see. Justifying her behavior just puts you into the same group that she is. Cold and heartless. Do I want to be around dead human bodies? Heck no because I want to see my loved ones happy and healthy, not remember them dead, same reason open casket isn't something I believe in. But, I will treat a dead animal with dignity and respect to the very end, and have because it isn't the same. This thread is a lesson to all of us if we have a senior animal to find out what our options are before they die. Just because they have left us, doesn't mean that we can treat them differently from when they were alive (assuming that she did love her pet prior to it inconveniently dying when her husband was gone).
06-16-2013, 09:15 AM
Location: My beloved Bluegrass
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An animal is not the same as a human dead body. Most people don't have the emotional connection to a human that they do an animal. So, a human body is not something anyone wants to see. Justifying her behavior just puts you into the same group that she is. Cold and heartless. Do I want to be around dead human bodies? Heck no because I want to see my loved ones happy and healthy, not remember them dead, same reason open casket isn't something I believe in. But, I will treat a dead animal with dignity and respect to the very end, and have because it isn't the same. This thread is a lesson to all of us if we have a senior animal to find out what our options are before they die. Just because they have left us, doesn't mean that we can treat them differently from when they were alive (assuming that she did love her pet prior to it inconveniently dying when her husband was gone).
I'm not the one lacking compassion here.
I do, however, agree this is something owners of elderly pets should look into when they first start showing signs of aging.
06-16-2013, 09:52 AM
Location: Virginia-Shenandoah Valley
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Regardless of my comment about the use of the word "Gag" I don't believe the OP was cold and heartless. I realize people react differently around death. I guess after 30 plus years in LE I've become somewhat desensitized when it comes to death although certainly not with someone close to me. I worked 4 police dogs and of course had to euthanize each one when the time came. Carrying my partners out of the vets office was something I did proudly but with a heavy heart.
Probably a bigger issue here is how long some people allow their pets to stay alive after their quality of life diminishes to a level way below what they were accustomed. Not saying the OP did this. I absolutely hate when I see people keeping their dogs alive when they are near the end. My sister kept her little ankle biter going until he was 17 and just finally died in his sleep. He had to wear a diaper for his last year and could barely walk. But my sis was unmarried and has no kids. Her dog was her family. When I had my first K9 and he retired he was soon thereafter diagnosed with Cancer. He had been retired two years and was now 11. When he showed signs of major discomfort I took him to the vet, who was a good friend and took care of all of our K9's, and spoke to him about how we make a decision when it's time. He couldn't give a definitive answer but he felt that when a dog no longer has the quality of like they'd become accustomed then it might be time. After mulling it over I made the horrible decision to have him euthanized. It was tough and heart wrenching but I had worked with this fellow for 7 years and watched him quickly age upon his retirement.
Before someone asks, our dogs are cremated by a service in MD then we put their ashes in a small memorial site we have at the academy.
06-16-2013, 09:57 AM
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Probably a bigger issue here is how long some people allow their pets to stay alive after their quality of life diminishes to a level way below what they were accustomed.
Bigfoot424, I absolutely agree with you. We have a friend who is keeping her 2 dogs alive even though they have had zero quality of life for a couple years now. It is more heartbreaking to watch it happen. We have talked with her about it but she is single, never been married, no children but has these dogs. The saddest part of it all is that she really does not have the proper amount of time to care for them properly since she has 2 jobs, works odd hours and is rarely home.
06-16-2013, 10:29 AM
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Aging pets are such a heartbreak. I have one now who just turned 13 and I am watching her everyday, looking for signs that she is in distress. I have owned about 5 dogs in my lifetime and I've never had one die on me naturally. I used to be very envious of people who've had that happen and did not have to make the choice of euthanasia. But then I read the OP's post and I think "Wow, I don't know if this is any better." A friend of mine had his 10 year old retriever die suddenly at home of a seizure and another dog (age 13) of a heart attack. Both were pretty traumatic for him.
It's really very hard having a sick dog, who is still wagging their tail when you come near them, who's still so happy to see you, but then having to call and make an appointment that you know is "the last visit." But I've had to do it for cancer and kidney failure in all cases. You just know when you look at the dog that they are just miserable. At that point, you've probably waited too long.
06-16-2013, 02:23 PM
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Before someone asks, our dogs are cremated by a service in MD then we put their ashes in a small memorial site we have at the academy.
That is very touching. Thank you for sharing it with us.
06-16-2013, 03:32 PM
Location: Loudoun County, VA
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Okay.. I feel silly having to explain for using the word "gag". I was very distressed and this was the first time I was dealing with a corpse of any kind. English is also my third language so things don't always come out as they should. She was a 70 lb dog that had died in the middle of the night on her pillow, sprawled in a "weird" position. She was very stiff. In fact when they picked her up they were unable to put her in a body bag and had to carry her out in that position. There was absolutely no way I could have moved her without getting ill, thus the word "gag". Seriously, have a little heart and don't judge me by my words of choice, it was a horrible, horrible day for me. I didn't come back to comment sooner since Bigfoot's first post left me crying for a long time.
She was very much loved and I had her since she was 3 months old, moving across the world with her when she was a puppy. I don't believe in afterlife so really, for me it was "just a dead animal body". I could no longer feel her stinky warm breath on me or see her tail wag, or hear her growl when the neighbor dogs barked. She was very sick last week but the vet gave her medicine and she was better for the past few days. Her death was a shock.
Anyway, thank you for those that offered suggestions.
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People in Group quarters - Correctional institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Federal prisons and detention centers (%)
People in Group quarters - Halfway houses (%)
People in Group quarters - Local jails and other confinement facilities (including police lockups) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military disciplinary barracks (%)
People in Group quarters - State prisons (%)
People in Group quarters - Other types of correctional institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Nursing homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards, hospices, and schools for the handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards and hospices for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospices or homes for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Military hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Other hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals or wards for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Mental (Psychiatric) hospitals or wards (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the deaf (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the blind (%)
People in Group quarters - Orthopedic wards and institutions for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in general hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in military hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Juvenile institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Long-term care (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for abused, dependent, and neglected children (%)
People in Group quarters - Residential treatment centers for emotionally disturbed children (%)
People in Group quarters - Training schools for juvenile delinquents (%)
People in Group quarters - Short-term care, detention or diagnostic centers for delinquent children (%)
People in Group quarters - Type of juvenile institution unknown (%)
People in Group quarters - Noninstitutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - College dormitories (includes college quarters off campus) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - On base (%)
People in Group quarters - Barracks, unaccompanied personnel housing (UPH), (Enlisted/Officer), ;and similar group living quarters for military personnel (%)
People in Group quarters - Transient quarters for temporary residents (%)
People in Group quarters - Military ships (%)
People in Group quarters - Group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes or halfway houses for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)