One-sided "Rivalry" between NoVA and Suburban MD (Arlington: how much, homes)

[NOVAmtneer82]

Originally Posted by Veritas Vincit

Calvert county simply doesn't have enough commuters to think in those terms as of now. People don't move there expecting HOV lanes and commuter trains. Much of that is basically still a rural to semi-rural area that happens to be within 40 miles of D.C.



It certainly does feel like the MD side of the metro has been sprawling somewhat less aggressively than Virginia. The irony might be that the more business-friendly politics of VA ironically have made it much easier for the left-liberal metropolis to spread deeper into the state at a much faster rate.

I think a lot of people underestimate the sheer number of commuters that come into DC from Calvert and Charles Counties- they are all largely served by non-interstate highway grade roads like Route 4, 301, Branch Avenue (5) and Indian Head Highway coming towards DC/ Northern Virginia which accounts for the really bad congestion. They also aren't like a Fairfax or Montgomery which have large job centers within their respective counties resulting in even more commuting to other jurisdictions.

[Veritas Vincit]

Originally Posted by NOVAmtneer82

I think a lot of people underestimate the sheer number of commuters that come into DC from Calvert and Charles Counties- they are all largely served by non-interstate highway grade roads like Route 4, 301, Branch Avenue (5) and Indian Head Highway coming towards DC/ Northern Virginia which accounts for the really bad congestion. They also aren't like a Fairfax or Montgomery which have large job centers within their respective counties resulting in even more commuting to other jurisdictions.

Given that the road network wasn't designed for suburban commuting, it doesn't take a lot of commuters to create congestion. There's only about 90,000 people in all of Calvert county (which is 9 times bigger than Arlington). Charles has about 166,000 people but is also like 17 times bigger than Arlington. So even though there are doubtlessly many commuters to the D.C. metro among them, it's still small potatoes and spread out over quite an area compared to the core D.C. suburban areas. But of course, they all need to take the same roads, so it will feel pretty damn packed at rush hour. That doesn't mean the area needs an interstate or a Metro line.

[rural & red]

Originally Posted by Veritas Vincit

It certainly does feel like the MD side of the metro has been sprawling somewhat less aggressively than Virginia. The irony might be that the more business-friendly politics of VA ironically have made it much easier for the left-liberal metropolis to spread deeper into the state at a much faster rate.

Truth.

The Big Government Left doesn't realize that it is the deeply ingrained, ancestral conservatism and self-reliant spirt of individual rights which led to Virginia's decades long economic success over Maryland, which is like a punching bag for them today.

In my part of Va., we don't even compare ourselves to Maryland at all. It feels very distinct.

[DCarea]

Originally Posted by rural & red

Truth.

The Big Government Left doesn't realize that it is the deeply ingrained, ancestral conservatism and self-reliant spirt of individual rights which led to Virginia's decades long economic success over Maryland, which is like a punching bag for them today.

In my part of Va., we don't even compare ourselves to Maryland at all. It feels very distinct.

Maryland‘s GDP per capita is higher than Virginia.

https://countryeconomy.com/countries...rginia?sc=XE34

Maryland’s average household income is also significantly higher than Virginia.

https://wtop.com/local/2019/10/maryl...ate-in-nation/

“ Maryland had a median household income of $83,242 in 2018. Virginia’s median household income was more than $10,000 less — recorded as $72,577 in 2018.”

[NOVAmtneer82]

Originally Posted by DCarea

Maryland‘s GDP per capita is higher than Virginia.

https://countryeconomy.com/countries...rginia?sc=XE34

Maryland’s average household income is also significantly higher than Virginia.

https://wtop.com/local/2019/10/maryl...ate-in-nation/

“ Maryland had a median household income of $83,242 in 2018. Virginia’s median household income was more than $10,000 less — recorded as $72,577 in 2018.”

Virginia is a much larger state than Maryland and also has 2.5 million more people. It has very wealthy affluent areas such as Northern Virginia, large metro areas like Richmond and Hampton Roads area but also smaller metros and very lower income communities such as the southern Coalfields. The median income of Fairfax and Loudoun are both higher than Montgomery. In addition, almost all corporate relocations and expansions over the past decade or more have been in Virginia. The 270 corridor may now be seeing some growth as a result of bioscience expansions over COVID but in general companies prefer Virginia to Maryland.

[DCarea]

Originally Posted by NOVAmtneer82

Virginia is a much larger state than Maryland and also has 2.5 million more people. It has very wealthy affluent areas such as Northern Virginia, large metro areas like Richmond and Hampton Roads area but also smaller metros and very lower income communities such as the southern Coalfields. The median income of Fairfax and Loudoun are both higher than Montgomery. In addition, almost all corporate relocations and expansions over the past decade or more have been in Virginia. The 270 corridor may now be seeing some growth as a result of bioscience expansions over COVID but in general companies prefer Virginia to Maryland.

Bring on the rivalry! lol

It’s all good. I would say all the expansion in Virginia has been in NoVa, the most liberal part of the state.

[NOVAmtneer82]

Originally Posted by DCarea

Bring on the rivalry! lol

It’s all good. I would say all the expansion in Virginia has been in NoVa, the most liberal part of the state.

No honestly not a rivalry really- was just stating the reasons for disparity and facts on economic development. I don't really think much about Maryland either way - it's a perfectly fine place. One of my brothers lives in Silver Spring and it's hard to tell the difference between his neighborhood and many in more urban parts of Arlington.

[dukeofbelair]

Originally Posted by NOVAmtneer82

No honestly not a rivalry really- was just stating the reasons for disparity and facts on economic development. I don't really think much about Maryland either way - it's a perfectly fine place. One of my brothers lives in Silver Spring and it's hard to tell the difference between his neighborhood and many in more urban parts of Arlington.

These responses have all been great to read. You guys in the NOVA forum had way more to say than in the Suburban MD forum: 5 pages of responses vs 5... total responses.

My suspicion is that it's mostly (younger) newcomers to the region who try to fit in and signal the opinions that give them what they perceive to be local bona fides.

[rural & red]

Originally Posted by DCarea

Bring on the rivalry! lol

It’s all good. I would say all the expansion in Virginia has been in NoVa, the most liberal part of the state.

Don't bite the conservative hand that feeds you.

Yes, NoVa grew because of proximity to the federal government and big government spending programs but most importantly because Virginia is the only business-friendly state in the region for corporate relocation due to long-standing Republican control of the General Assembly.

Otherwise, if it was due to "liberalness", Maryland would be leading and we'd all be telling each other how woke we are.

[Cruss575]

Only in Maryland:

https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/l...s/2899908/?amp