09-15-2009, 02:13 PM
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Hi all.
I've posted here before but I have now actually visited the area and have a better idea of what we're looking at. I was so excited to be moving near a real city (DC) but now feel I will be stuck in the burbs/subdivisions after all
. We visited two great schools in FC, either would be great and probably there are others (looking at IB schools), but the neighbourhoods seem anonymous and un-urban and not what I would like for living day to day. I had hoped to find somewhere we could walk to a cafe or store, plus be able to use public transport into DC especially for my teens who are spreading their wings. Am I missing something or is it just impossible to find a mix of these things in Fairfax County. Alex Old Town or Arlington are more our style, and have that convenience to fun downtown areas as well as DC, but aren't in FCPS. I don't care about owning land but do want a nice house, or one I can make nice, somewhere with LIFE!... HELP!
09-15-2009, 02:24 PM
Location: Marshall-Shadeland, Pittsburgh, PA
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Welcome to my world---and the world of many others who are rather disillusioned with Fairfax County as of present.
While FC has great public schools, an above-average bus system, Metrorail service (Orange Line to Vienna with Silver Line to Dulles Airport on the way), exciting career opportunities out the wazoo, and some beautiful scenery on the cusp of our nation's capital it is also home to terrible urban planning that has resulted in us having the nation's second worst traffic congestion (all those dueling cul-de-sacs have to funnel to somewhere), generally bland architecture (people in Reston call the 1960s-era Washington Plaza at Lake Anne "historic") and a very high stress level.
My first recommendation to you would be the
City of Falls Church . Here you'll be in an independent city from Fairfax County but will still have an above-average school system, a walkable downtown area (albeit not attractive), and some nice traditional in-town neighborhoods (i.e. sidewalks, tree lawns, GOOD planning). I'm headed there in about an hour as a matter of fact with several friends to try out Elevation Burger and to see a concert at the State Theater downtown. You're book-ended by two armpits---Seven Corners (traffic nightmare) and Tyson's Corner (pedestrian nightmare)---but the city proper, while congested at rush-hour, is actually much nicer than what many give it credit for. The north side of town is also relatively walkable to one of two Metro stations.
I've also heard that
Vienna is similar in nature to Falls Church, but I'm admittedly not as familiar with this community.
Much of the rest of Fairfax County is just what you, me, and many others hate---bland suburbia without any charm, soul, character, mass transit, sidewalks, proper urban planning, etc. (or any redeeming qualities whatsoever). The problem is you'll never see any improvement on these fronts either because most people LIKE it that way (i.e. me being the "lone wolf" with my anti-sprawl ranting on this sub-forum and people in Reston on other forums actually OPPOSING Metrorail for fear of the area becoming...gasp...more walkable!)
I wish you and your family the very best of luck, but outside of Arlington/Alexandria your only real choices in/near Fairfax County would be Vienna or Falls Church for an area with a traditional downtown and not God-awful architecture.
09-15-2009, 02:30 PM
Location: Chapel Hill, NC, formerly NoVA and Phila
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I think your best bets would be the Falls Church area or Vienna.
09-15-2009, 02:31 PM
Location: Town of Herndon/DC Metro
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Hi all.
I've posted here before but I have now actually visited the area and have a better idea of what we're looking at. I was so excited to be moving near a real city (DC) but now feel I will be stuck in the burbs/subdivisions after all
. We visited two great schools in FC, either would be great and probably there are others (looking at IB schools), but the neighbourhoods seem anonymous and un-urban and not what I would like for living day to day. I had hoped to find somewhere we could walk to a cafe or store, plus be able to use public transport into DC especially for my teens who are spreading their wings. Am I missing something or is it just impossible to find a mix of these things in Fairfax County. Alex Old Town or Arlington are more our style, and have that convenience to fun downtown areas as well as DC, but aren't in FCPS. I don't care about owning land but do want a nice house, or one I can make nice, somewhere with LIFE!... HELP!
Maybe try posting this in the MD forum and asking about Bethesda/ Silver Spring/Rockville. Much more urbane-good schools out there
I know several large families that live in the extreme NW DC-local schools are great, but really expensive. But if you can swing McLean/Langley, you can afford it there too. Again, Try posting that in the DC forum. Good Luck!
09-15-2009, 11:54 PM
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The only good school with an IB program is in the City of Falls Church. Marshall high school is the second best school with an IB program. I wouldn't recommend any of the other IB schools.
09-16-2009, 05:02 AM
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Seems to me the most semi-urban areas in NoVa with public IB schools are the Arlington neighborhoods around Lee Highway/Route 50 that feed into Washington-Lee and the City of Falls Church (George Mason).
09-16-2009, 05:36 AM
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You don't mention why you are so set on being in the Fairfax County school system, and IB in particular. If those are non-negotiable, then you'll have to settle for at least some degree of suburbia. If you are willing to consider non-Fairfax County schools, the City of Falls Church would be a great choice -- there are two Metro stops nearby, lots of stuff to walk to, the bike path, and a highly-regarded school system with an IB program. Arlington would also work.
09-16-2009, 07:09 AM
Location: Springfield VA
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I don't know anything about IB or anything but have you thought about living near the Vienna metro at the end of the orange line. Your teens can walk to Oakton high school which is supposed to be a really good school and the Vienna metro. Now the only thing about that is that it is a very residential area, so there's absolutely nothing to really walk to except more condos and townhouses which is what I don't like about Oakton (I'm a mile or two from the Vienna metro). So you have to take the good with the bad I suppose but that's the only high school that I can think that is on the metro in Fairfax county.
09-16-2009, 02:02 PM
Location: Marshall-Shadeland, Pittsburgh, PA
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I was very pleased with last night's visit to Falls Church!
We parked at Elevation Burger, had great meals, and then walked up Washington Street to the State Theatre for a rockin' Rusted Root/The Kin concert! I laughed profusely at a place called "Meat in a Box" next-door to a carpet dealer (Yes, I'm immature).
It was sad that there were ZERO other pedestrians running amok through town (while people inched by in their SUVs on the Route 7 conga line), but then again the weather wasn't the nicest. I'm more and more serously considering The Spectrum at Falls Church in a couple of years.
09-16-2009, 02:18 PM
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If Arlington (and areas like it) are more your style then I think you've pretty much figured out where you want to be. Arlington schools are excellent, and Washington-Lee, the IB/AP school for Arlington ranks well with Fairfax schools. In terms of standardized test scores (VA SOLs), Washington-Lee ranks 93 out of 319 Virginia public high schools, the same ranking as Madison and Westfield in Fairfax County. In terms of student participation rates in advanced classes (Newsweek's Challenge index), W-L has ranked consistently in the top 50 schools nationwide. The elementary schools that feed into W-L are also excellent. Mckinley was the highest ranked in Northern VA in terms of the state's SOL scores a year ago and Science Focus Elementary school and Taylor have similarly high scores. The current secretary of education moved with his family to Arlington, in part because of it's school system, which is highly regarded.
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People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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. We visited two great schools in FC, either would be great and probably there are others (looking at IB schools), but the neighbourhoods seem anonymous and un-urban and not what I would like for living day to day. I had hoped to find somewhere we could walk to a cafe or store, plus be able to use public transport into DC especially for my teens who are spreading their wings. Am I missing something or is it just impossible to find a mix of these things in Fairfax County. Alex Old Town or Arlington are more our style, and have that convenience to fun downtown areas as well as DC, but aren't in FCPS. I don't care about owning land but do want a nice house, or one I can make nice, somewhere with LIFE!... HELP!
While FC has great public schools, an above-average bus system, Metrorail service (Orange Line to Vienna with Silver Line to Dulles Airport on the way), exciting career opportunities out the wazoo, and some beautiful scenery on the cusp of our nation's capital it is also home to terrible urban planning that has resulted in us having the nation's second worst traffic congestion (all those dueling cul-de-sacs have to funnel to somewhere), generally bland architecture (people in Reston call the 1960s-era Washington Plaza at Lake Anne "historic") and a very high stress level. 
It was sad that there were ZERO other pedestrians running amok through town (while people inched by in their SUVs on the Route 7 conga line), but then again the weather wasn't the nicest. I'm more and more serously considering The Spectrum at Falls Church in a couple of years. 
