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Old 09-08-2015, 01:19 PM
 
Location: Kūkiʻo, HI & Manhattan Beach, CA
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From everything I can read, Oahu island in minority majority with other Hawaiian islands less being the case. Has anyone found this to be causing any issue or friction? Here on mainland, racism is mostly not overt. I would guesstimate it's probably the same on Oahu most times.
In Hawaiʻi, racism is sanctioned, endorsed, and promoted by the government via institutions such as the Office of Hawaiian Affairs (OHA) and its subcontractors.
The Hawaii Independent: OHA pushes forward with Nai Aupuni despite concerns
http://naiaupuni.org/docs/NewsReleas...ate-083115.pdf
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Old 09-08-2015, 02:14 PM
 
Location: Kahala
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I saw this video after I moved here, I wish I saw it before. These rats are everywhere and they bite, but you will never here the state admit it. I have been to this market before. You have to drive through there to get anywhere in Metro Honolulu.
I lived at Bishop/Beretania for over a year and frequented Chinatown (and still do, though not as much), generally for dinner/drinks - and while I know rats are in the area (like most metro areas in the US) - I never saw one.
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Old 09-08-2015, 02:48 PM
 
Location: Honolulu
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In Hawaiʻi, racism is sanctioned, endorsed, and promoted by the government via institutions such as the Office of Hawaiian Affairs (OHA) and its subcontractors.
The Hawaii Independent: OHA pushes forward with Nai Aupuni despite concerns
http://naiaupuni.org/docs/NewsReleas...ate-083115.pdf
That's not racism, that's giving appropriate representation to the people who actually rightfully own these islands and allowing them to obtain sovereignty.

Do you think the Native American tribes are racist because they're sovereign and you have to show ancestry to be a member?
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Old 09-08-2015, 07:37 PM
 
Location: Kūkiʻo, HI & Manhattan Beach, CA
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That's not racism, that's giving appropriate representation to the people who actually rightfully own these islands and allowing them to obtain sovereignty.
The U.S Supreme Court viewed the shenanigans of OHA as racism in Rice v. Cayetano, 528 U.S. 495 (2000) and Arakaki v. State of Hawaiʻi (2002). The decision in the current Akina v. State of Hawaiʻi lawsuit will probably affirm that OHA's attempts to establish a race-based voter roll are "racist" and violate the U.S. Constitution.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rice_v._Cayetano
http://www.angelfire.com/hi2/hawaiia...sion123102.pdf
Lawsuit Says Hawaiians-Only Election Is 'Racially Exclusive' - Civil Beat

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Do you think the Native American tribes are racist because they're sovereign and you have to show ancestry to be a member?
Yes. Native American tribes use "ancestry" as a proxy for "race." Native Hawaiians are not a "tribe," despite the efforts of OHA and some folks in Washington, D.C.
Hawaiians Are Not A Tribe | The Daily Caller
Tribalizing Hawaii | National Review Online
The Obama Administration's Attempt to Balkanize Hawaiʻi
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Old 09-08-2015, 09:11 PM
 
Location: Honolulu
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The U.S Supreme Court viewed the shenanigans of OHA as racism in Rice v. Cayetano, 528 U.S. 495 (2000) and Arakaki v. State of Hawaiʻi (2002). The decision in the current Akina v. State of Hawaiʻi lawsuit will probably affirm that OHA's attempts to establish a race-based voter roll are "racist" and violate the U.S. Constitution.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rice_v._Cayetano
http://www.angelfire.com/hi2/hawaiia...sion123102.pdf
Lawsuit Says Hawaiians-Only Election Is 'Racially Exclusive' - Civil Beat

Yes. Native American tribes use "ancestry" as a proxy for "race." Native Hawaiians are not a "tribe," despite the efforts of OHA and some folks in Washington, D.C.
Hawaiians Are Not A Tribe | The Daily Caller
Tribalizing Hawaii | National Review Online
The Obama Administration's Attempt to Balkanize Hawaiʻi
You're right, they aren't a tribe. They were once a sovereign nation, which by 1893 had accepted non-Hawaiians as residents, and was then illegally overthrown by force.
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Old 09-08-2015, 09:18 PM
 
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I lived in Waipahu for four years in the 70s and four years in Honolulu in the 90s. Never experienced a problem with racism, even though race is frequently discussed and noted.

The racial dynamic in Hawaii--or at least in Honolulu--is fundamentally different from the racial dynamic on the Mainland, cause, IMO, from the lack of an overwhelming demographic majority. It's also a place where being "bi-racial" or multi-racial is old, old cultural news.
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Old 09-08-2015, 10:51 PM
 
Location: Aiea, Hawaii
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I lived in Waipahu for four years in the 70s and four years in Honolulu in the 90s. Never experienced a problem with racism, even though race is frequently discussed and noted.

The racial dynamic in Hawaii--or at least in Honolulu--is fundamentally different from the racial dynamic on the Mainland, cause, IMO, from the lack of an overwhelming demographic majority. It's also a place where being "bi-racial" or multi-racial is old, old cultural news.
Pretty much spot-on. Good points!
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Old 09-09-2015, 10:03 AM
 
Location: Kūkiʻo, HI & Manhattan Beach, CA
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You're right, they aren't a tribe. They were once a sovereign nation, which by 1893 had accepted non-Hawaiians as residents, and was then illegally overthrown by force.
Most folks don't realize that Hawaiʻi would've never been a sovereign nation without the contributions of non-Hawaiians, most notably John Young (aka "ʻOlohana") and Isaac Davis (aka "ʻAikake"). Thus, not only were non-Hawaiians accepted as "residents," they were full-fledged citizens, leaders, and founders of the Hawaiian nation that was overthrown in 1893.

"Hawaiian" has gone from being a "nationality" in the 19th Century to being an "ethnicity" in the 20th Century. Efforts to reduce "Hawaiian" to being a mere "tribal identity" in the 21 Century amount to government-sponsored racism. Sadly, self-appointed "tribal" leaders legitimized by a sham "election" are main ones that will profit from a Native Hawaiian "tribe."
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Old 09-09-2015, 11:53 AM
 
Location: Honolulu
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Most folks don't realize that Hawaiʻi would've never been a sovereign nation without the contributions of non-Hawaiians, most notably John Young (aka "ʻOlohana") and Isaac Davis (aka "ʻAikake"). Thus, not only were non-Hawaiians accepted as "residents," they were full-fledged citizens, leaders, and founders of the Hawaiian nation that was overthrown in 1893.

"Hawaiian" has gone from being a "nationality" in the 19th Century to being an "ethnicity" in the 20th Century. Efforts to reduce "Hawaiian" to being a mere "tribal identity" in the 21 Century amount to government-sponsored racism. Sadly, self-appointed "tribal" leaders legitimized by a sham "election" are main ones that will profit from a Native Hawaiian "tribe."
So what you are saying is we are reaching back to before the haoles helped King Kamehameha? Well what's wrong with that?
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Old 09-09-2015, 12:44 PM
 
Location: Kūkiʻo, HI & Manhattan Beach, CA
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So what you are saying is we are reaching back to before the haoles helped King Kamehameha? Well what's wrong with that?
Actually, what I'm saying is that without haole assistance, a united Hawaiian nation would've never been established. Unfortunately, many Hawaiian leaders have been promulgating a relatively narrow, revisionist history for the last 40 or so years that focused on the overthrow of the Hawaiian monarchy, instead of its origins. Folks tend to forget that haoles had become an inextricable part of Kamehameha's and many other Hawaiian families during the 19th Century.
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