Some Central Business District info (income, manufacturing, housing)

[Matthew Hall]

Columbus isn't bad, it's just uninspiring, unengaging, and unrealized. To change that someone has to care enough to accept these truths and build for the future.

[jbcmh81]

Originally Posted by Matthew Hall

Columbus isn't bad, it's just uninspiring, unengaging, and unrealized. To change that someone has to care enough to accept these truths and build for the future.

Any relevant thoughts on the topic there, Matt? I know trolling me may be enjoyable, but I'm more interested in having a serious conversation that doesn't spiral down into your typical ramblings.

[Matthew Hall]

Originally Posted by jbcmh81

Any relevant thoughts on the topic there, Matt? I know trolling me may be enjoyable, but I'm more interested in having a serious conversation that doesn't spiral down into your typical ramblings.

Really? Why would someone interested in a "serious conversation" engage mere "ramblings"? Either you think I have a point or you feel compelled to engage my "ramblings" for some reasons of your own. Which is it?

[jbcmh81]

Originally Posted by Matthew Hall

Really? Why would someone interested in a "serious conversation" engage mere "ramblings"? Either you think I have a point or you feel compelled to engage my "ramblings" for some reasons of your own. Which is it?

There's actually a 3rd option: I don't want you to continue cluttering threads with obvious bait posts. If you have something about the given topic you'd like to say, fine. Otherwise, I'm just going to ignore you from now on.

[Matthew Hall]

How brave, honorable, and selfless of you to attempt to protect the integrity of this prestigious forum from my scurrilous suggestions that any of your utterances are not completely beyond questioning. Of course, you'll understand if I reserve the right to doubt your motives as you have endlessly done with respect to mine.

There may be hope for a decent discussion of Columbus' prospects here, after all.

[Matthew Hall]

Interactive: MetroMonitor Economic Performance Maps - Brookings Institution

The data on these maps make clear that Columbus and Cincinnati have virtually identical housing market numbers. Yet, columbus has had significantly more population and job growth before the Great Collapse in 2008. Why? There must be some reason that the people of columbus are not putting as much demand into columbus' housing market as we would intuitively expect them to. Alternatively, where is the demand for housing in cincinnati coming from despite it lower growth in population and jobs?

These maps suggest that it is due to the stagnation in columbus' recent job growth and overall economic growth. A 1.2% job growth and 2.81% growth in gross metropolitan product (gmp) for columbus since the low point of the great recession in the winter of 2009 versus Cincinnati's 1.5% growth in jobs and 3.95% in gmp for the same period suggest that the Columbus "growth miracle" is over. These are indications of the challenges columbus faces. This affects everyone in ohio as columbus can't be counted on to bring in as much tax income for the state as we have been accustomed to and that columbus is struggling to support the population growth it gained before 2008 and is not having the productivity growth necessary to do so. This suggests that the focus on luring and keeping back-office/ branch plant operations is not the source of growth that it was. A "serious" discussion of these issues is the first step to a solution.

Again the value of headquarters and homegrown companies forming part of an "eco-system" of mutually beneficial companies and industries emerges in "rust-belt" cities like cincinnati, cleveland, or pittsburgh and the limiting effects of the absence of such eco-systems in newer post-war metros is revealed. These developments are 'serious' in my view.

[jbcmh81]

Originally Posted by Matthew Hall

Interactive: MetroMonitor Economic Performance Maps - Brookings Institution

The data on these maps make clear that Columbus and Cincinnati have virtually identical housing market numbers. Yet, columbus has had significantly more population and job growth before the Great Collapse in 2008. Why? There must be some reason that the people of columbus are not putting as much demand into columbus' housing market as we would intuitively expect them to. Alternatively, where is the demand for housing in cincinnati coming from despite it lower growth in population and jobs?

These maps suggest that it is due to the stagnation in columbus' recent job growth and overall economic growth. A 1.2% job growth and 2.81% growth in gross metropolitan product (gmp) for columbus since the low point of the great recession in the winter of 2009 versus Cincinnati's 1.5% growth in jobs and 3.95% in gmp for the same period suggest that the Columbus "growth miracle" is over. These are indications of the challenges columbus faces. This affects everyone in ohio as columbus can't be counted on to bring in as much tax income for the state as we have been accustomed to and that columbus is struggling to support the population growth it gained before 2008 and is not having the productivity growth necessary to do so. This suggests that the focus on luring and keeping back-office/ branch plant operations is not the source of growth that it was. A "serious" discussion of these issues is the first step to a solution.

Again the value of headquarters and homegrown companies forming part of an "eco-system" of mutually beneficial companies and industries emerges in "rust-belt" cities like cincinnati, cleveland, or pittsburgh and the limiting effects of the absence of such eco-systems in newer post-war metros is revealed. These developments are 'serious' in my view.

Last time... either make your own thread about unrelated topics or I will just report you. I've never done that before on any board, but I will this time. I'm not opposed to having a discussion on housing or anything else, but this is clearly not about any of that, but rather your need to troll.

[Matthew Hall]

Oh dear. You seem to have come unhinged, sweetie. Maybe you should get out and enjoy this nice weather while it lasts. I know I did.

Last time. . . all msa data affect all other msa data, including CBD development. That is why MSAs exist and all MSAs have CBDs of some size. They function as units.

But, do your worst, baby! Bring it on! Of course without me, your threads will be largely ignored. But, I'm guessing that you are probably used to that by now and prefer it that way. You're looking for a monologue, not a dialogue. Which is probably why you like Columbus. No one cares enough to contradict you.

[streetcreed]

Originally Posted by Matthew Hall

I write what I do because I think it is true. I single columbus out because others single columbus out. Many measures of Columbus' economy are not exceptional, yet Columbusers suggest that it is. If a handful here didn't bring up columbus, I certainly wouldn't. In many ways Columbus is the exception that proves the rule, not an exception to the rules of local economic development.

Your example of nationwide makes my point perfectly. Headquarters and MSAs clearly matter for Nationwide's investment in columbus. If Nationwide hadn't been started in Columbus it wouldn't be headquartered there. If it weren't headquartered in columbus it wouldn't have come to own property in downtown Columbus and if it hadn't come to own land in downtown columbus it wouldn't have created the arena district. If Nationwide hadn't created the arena district, no one else would have and it wouldnt' exist.

If Columbus could have a few more like Nationwide, it really could up its game and become a place where valuable decisions and connections are made, instead of a place where decisions made elsewhere are implemented.

Not true companies relocate headquarters all the time.

That highrise next to nationwide, American Electric Power. They have a highrise downtown, invest in downtown Columbus, and add employees to downtown and the metro.

Where did they begin? New York. They moved their headquarters to Columbus in the 1980s.

Recently Net Jets, Red Roof Inn, Hexion Chemical, and Wendys; either relocated or moved their headquarters back to Columbus.

[chet_kinkaid]

matt perhaps you need to start analyzing longer term trends than 2 year periods which are meaningless as 2008-2010 columbus experienced increased population growth over the previous 8 years on avg..columbus has been on a growth pattern that has remained almost constant since the late 1940's..why on earth would you say that all of a sudden columbus growth would stop when the census bureau and the mid ohio planning commission estimate columbus will continue if not accelerate growth in the next 25 years?what do you know that most analysts dont?btw columbus has higher capita income than austin texas.detroit michigan has one of the highest per capitas..and the city is failing..high per capita usually indicates a high percentage of hourly manufacturing jobs so many of the cities that are in decline still have high per capita incomes.