Columbus may soon replace Cleveland as the 'Most Diverse City in the State' (Cincinnati: employment, construction)

[jbcmh81]

Originally Posted by pontiac51

OK, let's use a little common sense here, which is something you apparently lack. Let's compare Cuyahoga and Franklin counties. Do you really believe that Cuyahoga County is whiter than Franklin County? If you look at some of the counties adjacent to Cuyahoga County, they are not as white as the ones adjacent to Franklin County. For example, Lorain and Summit counties are around 80% white, whereas all of the counties adjacent to Franklin County are at least 95% white. The counties around Cincinnati are at least 90% white. So when you say that Cleveland is the whitest metro of the 3-Cs, you just prove once again that you don't know what you're talking about!!!

You clearly didn't see my post above. Scroll up. You can thank me and apologize any time.

[1watertiger]

jbcmh81, what do you mean by cbus has the "most continuous buit environment or urban area" ? you are seriously starting to lose credibility with me and you are showing a total lack of any real knowledge of NE Ohio. cleveland is urban for miles in each direction and suburban for many miles after that. our inner-ring suburbs are more urban than most of your city proper. maybe im misunderstanding your comment?

[1watertiger]

http://geology.com/articles/night-sa...t-night-lg.jpg. (click the map to enlarge)

[jbcmh81]

Originally Posted by 1watertiger

jbcmh81, what do you mean by cbus has the "most continuous buit environment or urban area" ? you are seriously starting to lose credibility with me and you are showing a total lack of any real knowledge of NE Ohio. cleveland is urban for miles in each direction and suburban for many miles after that. our inner-ring suburbs are more urban than most of your city proper. maybe im misunderstanding your comment?

Yes, you are. Urban Areas, once more, are defined by their continuous built environment. I didn't say anywhere that Cleveland didn't have a larger urban footprint than Columbus. It does. In fact, it's Urban Area is more than 250 square miles larger. I was talking about density within those footprints, though, not size.

[motorman]

No summation on my part required; once again, several Cleveland and Cincinnati posters (myself included) have legitimately countered Columbus' claim to being so much more "diverse." As the metro-stats demonstrate, there's negligible difference between the "3-Cs." (although, if it gets down to "show and tell time," Cleveland can claim the win...)

Needless to say, as merely a "numbers game," this thread's become past-tense. Better it digress into a debate about 3-C "diversity-in-general" rather than a thread that champions "one C" over another--because, in this critical aspect there are definite winners and losers. ()

Somehow, the discussion's diverted from examining "diversity" and devolved into a battle of superiority and size, one that Columbus boosters need not engage in unless they're willing to examine all those nighttime satellite-photos and learn how to enunciate the syllables "NEO" & "CIN-DAY" (and also forget their misconceptions of "political boundaries"). Those pictures don't lie; "statistics" do.

Obviously, in numerous ways, Columbus is coming on strong as a legitimate member of the "3-Cs"--but, then again, its self-serving "Magical Mystery Success Tour" need be tempered by reality--which has played a large part in this latest discussion, thanks to outside scrutiny. Thank you especially, 1 watertiger, for your #60 post--you expressed what actually is. But then again, who listened and who understood?

[jbcmh81]

Originally Posted by motorman

No summation on my part required; once again, several Cleveland and Cincinnati posters (myself included) have legitimately countered Columbus' claim to being so much more "diverse." As the metro-stats demonstrate, there's negligible difference between the "3-Cs." (although, if it gets down to "show and tell time," Cleveland can claim the win...)

Needless to say, as merely a "numbers game," this thread's become past-tense. Better it digress into a debate about 3-C "diversity-in-general" rather than a thread that champions "one C" over another--because, in this critical aspect there are definite winners and losers. ()

Somehow, the discussion's diverted from examining "diversity" and devolved into a battle of superiority and size, one that Columbus boosters need not engage in unless they're willing to examine all those nighttime satellite-photos and learn how to enunciate the syllables "NEO" & "CIN-DAY" (and also forget their misconceptions of "political boundaries"). Those pictures don't lie; "statistics" do.

Obviously, in numerous ways, Columbus is coming on strong as a legitimate member of the "3-Cs"--but, then again, its self-serving "Magical Mystery Success Tour" need be tempered by reality--which has played a large part in this latest discussion, thanks to outside scrutiny. Thank you especially, 1 watertiger, for your #60 post--you expressed what actually is. But then again, who listened and who understood?

I think the only person who claimed Columbus was significantly more diverse was the OP (and he seemed to be doing it in future tense based on the thread title), but the debate became which was "most diverse" currently. Right now, it's Cleveland. In the future, if trends hold, Columbus and Cincinnati may catch up or pass it.

No one said Columbus was larger, especially not by a developed land standpoint. I am not sure you read what was actually posted since you seemed to have latched on things that weren't said or claimed. I'm the one who gave links to urbanized area maps that show both Cincinnati and Cleveland have more developed land and stated Cleveland was 250 square miles larger. Metros are not "political boundaries", but I know you will continue to repeat the falsehood that is Cin-Day. It hasn't happened.

In any case, just about every thread goes off the original topic at some point, so that's nothing new.

[pontiac51]

Originally Posted by jbcmh81

You clearly didn't see my post above. Scroll up. You can thank me and apologize any time.

You are absolutely right. I didn't see it

Great stats!!!

[motorman]

Originally Posted by jbcmh81

...Metros are not "political boundaries", but I know you will continue to repeat the falsehood that is Cin-Day. It hasn't happened...

Perhaps I did employ the term "political boundaries" too broadly. Obviously, such boundaries aren't publically paraded and sold by either political party, but neither are they determined by a team of unbiased technocrats who simply feed statistics into some mainframe computer, hit its "return button" and generate an impartial report. (If you believe that, you really are naive.)

In any such MSA-CSA tabulations (especially from Washington), clandestine politics will ultimately determine where boundary lines "appear." So please look once again (and far more critically) at that nighttime satellite photo presented in POST #73, enlarging it and altering one of your own misconceptions concerning what's real.

[jbcmh81]

Originally Posted by motorman

Perhaps I did employ the term "political boundaries" too broadly. Obviously, such boundaries aren't publically paraded and sold by either political party, but neither are they determined by a team of unbiased technocrats who simply feed statistics into some mainframe computer, hit its "return button" and generate an impartial report. (If you believe that, you really are naive.)

In any such MSA-CSA tabulations (especially from Washington), clandestine politics will ultimately determine where boundary lines "appear." So please look once again (and far more critically) at that nighttime satellite photo presented in POST #73, enlarging it and altering one of your own misconceptions concerning what's real.

The criteria used to determine metros does not seem particularly biased to me. Could you point out which ones you believe to be biased, especially against the idea of Cin-Day, and why?

You've often brought up nighttime photos, but for the last time, connected development does not equate to a single metro. There are many other cities on those maps that are connected by development in some way, but they are also not necessarily the same metro. The Northeastern seaboard is a perfect example. Or Cleveland/Akron if you want a closer reference. Cincinnati and Dayton not being connected is not a political conspiracy or the single, unique example of two nearby cities that are not in the same metro.

[Natural510]

I get a dead link when I click the picture, but living in the Dayton area can attest there really isn't the connectedness to Cincinnati people on this website like to trumpet. Other than rooting for the Reds, the people here don't seem to favor Cincy over Columbus or any other city.