Ohio Waterways ranked 10th highest in toxic chemicals in US. (Columbus: move to, transport)

[jbcmh81]

This thread needs some more good news.

Franklin SWCD launches water-quality program | ThisWeek Community News

http://www.dispatch.com/content/stor...acilities.html

[RiverLover11]

...and here's some more (REALLY) good news~

http://www.dispatch.com/content/stor...acilities.html

"Ohio will provide more than $150 million in grants and interest-free loans to help cities fight the kinds of toxic algae that shut down Toledo’s drinking water two weeks ago, the directors of three state agencies announced yesterday. The state also announced that it will spend $1.25 million to help farmers plant cover crops and improve drainage systems to reduce the amount of fertilizers that flow from their fields into nearby streams and rivers."

Yay!

Now if they'd also address the radioactive and cancer-causing frackwaste...

[RiverLover11]

But as it turns out Kasich is just scratching the surface of what needs to be done. Just like Big Oil, Big Ag lobbyists own this guy. He works for their money, not us.

What will it take to save Lake Erie? - Toledo Blade

[IDtheftV]

Originally Posted by jbcmh81

I don't know, I always thought it should be more of a civic duty.

Perhaps, but the point of the deposit is that for the many people who don't/won't recycle, the thing that they toss in the street has value and will be picked up by someone else for cash.

While they are at it, a deposit can be attached to plastic grocery bags, fast food cups and bags, etc.

A deposit can be levied at purchase of 12 cents ( just an example ) and the payment to the person who picks up the thing could be 10 cents. The extra 2 cents can be used to construct recycling facilities and pay for trucks, salaries, etc.

Like I mentioned earlier, people pick up Al cans already ( I do ) and they are only worth a penny. ( I generally give them away to street people who live on that revenue. )

[IDtheftV]

Originally Posted by RiverLover11

Delaware County, OH has one frack waste deep injection well for certain, maybe more now. And one landfill approved for that unregulated frack waste disposal directly into the soil. (How is that legal??)

So you are saying that frack waste is just sloshing around inside a landfill liner? That's ridiculous.

The whole point of deep injection, mentioned above, is that the waste is 10,000 ft below the water supply. Putting the waste above it is just an invitation to an accident, er catastrophe.

I wouldn't characterize putting something in a landfill as "directly into the soil," however. Soil is dirt with nutrients and is where plants grow. Landfills are in the dirt, or ground. The problem is that they are above the ground water and guaranteed to contaminate it.

Again, we have our differences, but there is no arguing that frack waste can't be mixed with groundwater. There is no way to compensate people for any contamination. You can't clean groundwater, you just lose the resource.

[jbcmh81]

Originally Posted by IDtheftV

Perhaps, but the point of the deposit is that for the many people who don't/won't recycle, the thing that they toss in the street has value and will be picked up by someone else for cash.

While they are at it, a deposit can be attached to plastic grocery bags, fast food cups and bags, etc.

A deposit can be levied at purchase of 12 cents ( just an example ) and the payment to the person who picks up the thing could be 10 cents. The extra 2 cents can be used to construct recycling facilities and pay for trucks, salaries, etc.

Like I mentioned earlier, people pick up Al cans already ( I do ) and they are only worth a penny. ( I generally give them away to street people who live on that revenue. )

Well, for example, Columbus recently instituted a citywide recycling program. It's free and participation is not mandatory, but it's been a pretty good success story. I don't think it's the monetary gain, necessarily, that will drive it. It just has to be made easy to do. Provide the containers and the method of disposal, and most people will take advantage of it.

[jbcmh81]

Originally Posted by IDtheftV

So you are saying that frack waste is just sloshing around inside a landfill liner? That's ridiculous.

The whole point of deep injection, mentioned above, is that the waste is 10,000 ft below the water supply. Putting the waste above it is just an invitation to an accident, er catastrophe.

I wouldn't characterize putting something in a landfill as "directly into the soil," however. Soil is dirt with nutrients and is where plants grow. Landfills are in the dirt, or ground. The problem is that they are above the ground water and guaranteed to contaminate it.

Again, we have our differences, but there is no arguing that frack waste can't be mixed with groundwater. There is no way to compensate people for any contamination. You can't clean groundwater, you just lose the resource.

I think the point is that accidents have happened and that there have been enough contamination stories that disposal methods should have serious oversight, something which isn't necessarily true right now.

[RiverLover11]

Ohio is NOT just using deep injection wells for frack waste now. We're one of the only states to allow frackwaste to be dumped directly into landfills. (After completely unregulated "cleaning" of it.)

Kasich's answer to earthquakes caused by deep injection wells--Let's just put it right in the ground at landfills!

Makes sense because the only time most people think about fracking is when the earth starts shaking...

Reposting~

Ohio fracking water reuse questioned

Since January, Ohio has approved operating permits for 27 centers that take drilling mud, radioactive rocks and wastewater from fracking wells and store or “clean” it before sending it on to landfills or injection wells. The Ohio Department of Natural Resources has approved every permit — considered temporary until the state writes rules that regulate the centers — without any public notification or input. That worries critics, who say there is little oversight to ensure that the environment and people who live near the facilities are safe.


Ohio fracking water reuse questioned | The Columbus Dispatch


Now this. 23 new toxic waste dumping grounds, not even deep injection, but "down-blending". Our republican leaders are putting our lives at risk so they can be re-elected with Oil money.

"...“We have also filed an appeal on one facility in Belmont County near Barnesville that would allow dumping without groundwater or soil protection. If local residents knew of what was being planned for their community, there would likely be the same kind of public outcry we saw in Barnesville."

...“ODNR is handing out boilerplate permits that don’t even require the company to adhere to the terms of the applications they have submitted to the State,” stated Attorney Terry Lodge, author of the letter to Director Zehringer.

...We had to learn about these facilities by filing public records requests. The ODNR issued Chief’s Orders in complete secrecy from the general public.

...Radioactive frack waste is being found in landfills and dumpsites in other states that are now implementing oversight and investigating the extent of the problem. If the 23 facilities that were authorized are allowed to operate, vast watersheds are put at serious risk for improper processing and disposal of hazardous frack waste." (It ended up being 27)

Groups wants ODNR to cancel permits for 23 disposal facilities - Drilling - Ohio

Tuesday: Public forum on radioactive fracking waste in Columbus landfills - Columbus Community Issues | Examiner.com

“For a regulatory agency responsible to protect Ohio’s natural resources to allow this type of activity without notifying the local communities that will be affected to inform them and address their concerns demonstrates the complete failure of that agency to operate as responsive to taxpayers with a mandate to regulate and protect. The ODNR is the fox guarding the public interest hen house,” stated Donna Carver, interim Executive Director of Buckeye Forest Council. Repeated public records requests made to ODNR have so far revealed 23 different facilities permitted to operate the hazardous business of separating and downblending solid and liquid fracking wastes, which are often heavily contaminated with industrial chemicals and radioactivity. And there may be more facilities in the works. Although there are almost no rules and regulations in place, the ODNR orders actually allow the facilities to begin operations without important regulatory oversight. Toxic and radioactive fracking waste is being processed, recycled, and disposed of ahead of rules for trace-ability, monitoring or awareness by regulatory agencies or local community governance.
Toxic Waste Sites Enter Ohio Communities Without Oversight | Buckeye Forest Council

[IDtheftV]

Originally Posted by jbcmh81

I don't think it's the monetary gain, necessarily, that will drive it. It just has to be made easy to do. Provide the containers and the method of disposal, and most people will take advantage of it.

You are absolutely right. It has to be easy and convenient.

There are those who deliberately use the recycle bins for garbage and put recyclables in the trash - on purpose. I've heard their reasons and there is no convincing them.

Originally Posted by jbcmh81

I think the point is that accidents have happened and that there have been enough contamination stories that disposal methods should have serious oversight, something which isn't necessarily true right now.

Absolutely. There needs to be a fee levied on every well that goes to paying for oversight. There needs to be oversight in the production AND the transportation of oil and gas.

Originally Posted by RiverLover11

Ohio is NOT just using deep injection wells for frack waste now. We're one of the only states to allow frackwaste to be dumped directly into landfills.

This needs to be forbidden at the national level.

This is another reason that fees need to be collected from the drillers to fund inspectors at both the state and national level. We are asking for another Love Canal. Unfortunately, all the pols responsible will be comfortably retired on their sweet taxpayer-funded-politician-granted retirement plans.

Originally Posted by RiverLover11

Kasich's answer to earthquakes caused by deep injection wells--Let's just put it right in the ground at landfills!

Makes sense because the only time most people think about fracking is when the earth starts shaking...

Yeah, the problem was created by the made-up earthquake risk due to disposal.

Ohio has ALWAYS been an earthquake-prone area. There's no earthquake talk in Eastern MT and Western North Dakota where there are far more disposal wells.

This is what happens when people lie to try to get their way.

[woxyroxme]

Originally Posted by IDtheftV

It shouldn't be an option at all. I liked the old deposit system on bottles. Glass or plastic should make no difference.

Ever notice how there are almost no Al cans in the streets? That's because they aren't garbage, they are scrap and worth money. They are only worth about 1 cent.

Now, think about a plastic bottle being worth a dime ... ( same for plastic bags, IMO ).

Maine was the first state to have a deposit on bottles and cans in 1976 when the returnable bottles were being phased out, a lot of people pick up anything on the roadsides for extra cash and as a result Maine has far less litter than Ohio does. There was a ballot issue many years ago in Ohio but it failed because there was no provision for recycling in the bill.