Would you vote for Governor Kasich as president? (Toledo, Republic: unemployment benefits, costs)

[1watertiger]

Originally Posted by WRnative

Why isn't it at least partially the fault of the social conservatives who limit birth control and ban abortions?

Where are women being finding it hard to get abortions?

[WRnative]

Originally Posted by 1watertiger

Where are women being finding it hard to get abortions?

Not only do we have science deniers, but deniers of the war being waged by social conservatives and Republicans on women's rights:

Proof of the GOP War on Women

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/0...n_7199964.html

Poor women are disproportionately impacted by efforts to reduce abortions, as they lack the funds to travel to a reduced number of abortion clinics and the ability to deal with greater restrictions. Slashing funding for Planned Parenthood effectively reduces birth control funds.

Kasich is a committed leader in the effort to reduce access to abortion services and to make the procedures more cumbersome and therefore expensive, while his party is intent on ripping apart the social safety net.

The Republicans apparenly want more poor kids, but feel relatively little obligation to support poor communities and economically deprived children, a definite prescription for higher crime rates and social dysfunction IMO.

[1watertiger]

Originally Posted by WRnative

Not only do we have science deniers, but deniers of the war being waged by social conservatives and Republicans on women's rights:

Proof of the GOP War on Women

Ohio Clinics Close, Abortions Decline Amid Restrictions

Poor women are disproportionately impacted by efforts to reduce abortions, as they lack the funds to travel to a reduced number of abortion clinics and the ability to deal with greater restrictions. Slashing funding for Planned Parenthood effectively reduces birth control funds.

Kasich is a committed leader in the effort to reduce access to abortion services and to make the procedures more cumbersome and therefore expensive, while his party is intent on ripping apart the social safety net.

The Republicans apparenly want more poor kids, but feel relatively little obligation to support poor communities and economically deprived children, a definite prescription for higher crime rates and social dysfunction IMO.

You sited 2 far left liberal articles , of course it will support your argument.. I find it hard to believe woman don't have access to abortion in their area if needed. And doesn't the health care act take care of all a woman's health care needs ?

[1watertiger]

Originally Posted by WRnative

Not only do we have science deniers, but deniers of the war being waged by social conservatives and Republicans on women's rights:

Proof of the GOP War on Women

Ohio Clinics Close, Abortions Decline Amid Restrictions

Poor women are disproportionately impacted by efforts to reduce abortions, as they lack the funds to travel to a reduced number of abortion clinics and the ability to deal with greater restrictions. Slashing funding for Planned Parenthood effectively reduces birth control funds.

Kasich is a committed leader in the effort to reduce access to abortion services and to make the procedures more cumbersome and therefore expensive, while his party is intent on ripping apart the social safety net.

The Republicans apparenly want more poor kids, but feel relatively little obligation to support poor communities and economically deprived children, a definite prescription for higher crime rates and social dysfunction IMO.

When are people going to start taking responsibility for their actions? Abortion shouldnt use abortion as a method of birth control anyway ,imo. Just another problem caused by the breakdown of the American family.

[WRnative]

Originally Posted by 1watertiger

You sited 2 far left liberal articles , of course it will support your argument.. I find it hard to believe woman don't have access to abortion in their area if needed. And doesn't the health care act take care of all a woman's health care needs ?

Regardless of the source of the articles, which factual statements in the articles are wrong?

Let's see. Huffington Post is owned by AOL which is being purchased by Verizon. It's left wing compared to what, your likely favorite source of propaganda -- Fox News?

What's inaccurate in this statement from that article:

<<
Seven of 16 Ohio abortion providers have either closed since 2011 or curtailed abortion offerings, while an eighth, in Toledo, is operating under the cloud of pending litigation, according to AP interviews and examinations of state licensing and business records.


The plunge places Ohio second in closures nationally, behind Texas, where 17 of 40 providers have stopped operating since 2011.>>

Do you even think if there are only 16 abortion clinics in Ohio, let alone 9, that provides adequate abortion services for a state the size of Ohio? Would you say the same thing about 16 hospitals or even 16 dental clinics? Ridiculous, especially considering the limited resources of poor individuals to travel, miss work, find care for children, etc.

I'm constantly amazed by the willingness of posters on this forum to equate factually challenged propaganda with reality in their efforts to impose their philosophies on others.

How can any health insurance meet women's healthcare needs if needed services are restricted or not available? We've also discussed how in many states, Republican governors haven't expanded Medicaid services, leaving many working poor with no health insurance given the minimum income requirements of the Affordable Healthcare Act.

[WRnative]

Originally Posted by 1watertiger

When are people going to start taking responsibility for their actions? Abortion shouldnt use abortion as a method of birth control anyway ,imo. Just another problem caused by the breakdown of the American family.

When are hypocritical individuals going to stop butting into other people's lives and restricting their rights?

Why don't Kasich and all of the greeders take responsibility for all of the environmental destruction that they are promoting, making the lives of the poor much more challenging in much of the world?

[Sruckus]

Originally Posted by WRnative

Why isn't it at least partially the fault of the social conservatives who limit birth control and ban abortions?

Because GOD gave you that baby DAMN IT AND YOU WILL ACCEPT IT.

That's literally the only argument those people end up really admitting and you can't reason with people that way. However, it is a fact that we have a separation of church and state and freedom of religion in this country, so they have no ground to stand on when it comes to trying to legislate religious policy.

[1watertiger]

Originally Posted by WRnative

When are hypocritical individuals going to stop butting into other people's lives and restricting their rights?

Why don't Kasich and all of the greeders take responsibility for all of the environmental destruction that they are promoting, making the lives of the poor much more challenging in much of the world?

The question shouldn't be when are hypocritical individuals going to stop butting into peoples lives. Again I ask instead, when are people going to take responsibility for poor decisions they make and stop living off of handouts.? When and how is this cycle going to be broken? We keep throwing money at social programs and nothing gets better...

[1watertiger]

Free breakfast and lunches... Free grants for college. Quotas for % of minorities on job sites. Free health care for poor... And that's all fine and good... But what next? Are we going to do the homework and finish high school for people next? Do we need to parent and teach kids about birth control? Do we need to teach kids right from wrong and to obey the law for the egg/sperm donors who don't raise their own?

[WRnative]

Originally Posted by 1watertiger

The question shouldn't be when are hypocritical individuals going to stop butting into peoples lives. Again I ask instead, when are people going to take responsibility for poor decisions they make and stop living off of handouts.? When and how is this cycle going to be broken? We keep throwing money at social programs and nothing gets better...

Your solution is to hold persons accountable by cutting benefits, but then saying that they have to give birth to and care for unwanted children. IMO, you can't have it both ways, which is why your position and that of many social conservatives is so untenable and very hypocritical. How do you ever plan to hold parents responsible for supporting their children if we don't provide a very viable economy for all willing workers, robust family planning services and the opportunity to make choices about reproduction.

Essentially, you're an advocate for holding persons responsible for poor choices, but then denying them the opportunity to make any choice.

By flooding the country with millions of unskilled workers, often working off the books, both the Republicans and Democrats have made life much more untenable for tens of millions of Americans, putting large burdens on the social safety net.

Yet apparently you don't consider it a poor decision or a hand-out when we allow corporate farms, frackers, etc., to pollute our environment, and destroy others' property values and diminish their livelihoods. This clearly is is social hand-out of an obviously very valuable entitlement. Yet the politicians that you favor are strong champions of these hand-outs which are predicated on incentivizing individuals to make poor, immoral decisions.