Columbus vs other ohio cities (Cleveland, Cincinnati: apartments, loans, theater)

[WRnative]

Originally Posted by stefano9729

Why columbus, Oh is the only city in the state where population isn't shrinking while all the other cities in Ohio (Cincinnati, Cleveland, Toledo...) are losing population since 1950?

Apart from the geographical expansion of Columbus through annexation since 1950, being the state capital also has benefited Columbus tremendously vis-a-vis other Ohio cities, especially given the decline in manufacturing jobs due to horrible U.S. tax and industrial policies relative to all of our economic competitors, globalization, and automation. Columbus annexed much farm land which even continues to be developed. The population density of Columbus, let alone its suburbs, remains much less than Cleveland, and less than Cincinnati.

http://allcolumbusdata.com/?p=4675

The following thread, beginning with post 39, has an intense discussion of the importance of being the state capital for Columbus. Being a county seat is an economic boon, but nothing compared to being a state capital.

//www.city-data.com/forum/colum...-future-4.html

It's not just the percentage of government jobs that are important, but also the quality of the jobs. A large percentage of the highest paying Ohio government jobs are located in Columbus. Consider just the thousands of jobs at the mammoth PERS, STRS, and other Ohio pension funds, where many employees earn six-figure incomes and some likely even 7 figures, as many tens of billions of assets are managed by these funds. The large net flow of state government activity to Columbus produces a gigantic multiplier effect and a much more stable economy than those in other cities more reliant on private sector jobs.

As the state capital, and the base of regulators, Columbus also became the home of the lion's share of Ohio-based insurance companies, such as the mammoth Nationwide.

Ohio State likely is by far the largest research university in Ohio, ranking 36 on the following list, albeit followed closely by the much smaller Case Western University in Cleveland. Total research funding, however, is much larger at Ohio State, perhaps even double ($767 vs. $360 million?) the substantial research revenue at Case Western.

The 50 Top Research Universities - Best College Reviews

https://controller.osu.edu/acc/2015_fin_rpt.pdf

Research | Case Western Reserve University

Many of Nationwide's thousands of downtown Columbus jobs are Medicare administrative service jobs. I wonder how many of these, and other government jobs, will survive in coming decades as artificial intelligence increasingly reduces the need for service jobs, let alone if Medicare is privatized with a voucher system, as proposed by many Republicans in Congress.

Much as Henry Ford and other auto industry magnates were responsible for the growth and prosperity of Greater Detroit in the early 20th century, certainly Columbus has benefited tremendously from the retail genius of Leslie Wexner.

Given Wexner's age, it will be interesting to see how Limited and its corporate progeny (L Brands, Abercrombie & Fitch, etc.) will fare as the 21st century progresses. Consider the fate of once mammoth 20th century retail enterprises such as A&P, W.T. Grant, and now the struggling Sears Holdings (Sears and K-Mart (the Kresge remnant)).

[Buckeye614]

Originally Posted by WRnative

Columbus annexed much farm land which even continues to be developed. The population density of Columbus, let alone its suburbs, remains much less than Cleveland, and less than Cincinnati.

Columbus’ Shrinking Annexation | All Columbus, Ohio Data

You are correct, Columbus annexed a MASSIVE amount of land between 1950-1970. That annexation has tapered off and in the last two decades has been pretty small. The part I bolded in your post is somewhat inaccurate.


Based on city's alone 2015 estimates:
Cleveland-5,107.0/sq mi
Cincinnati-3,809.9/sq mi
Columbus-3,624.0/sq mi

Even with Columbus's inflated borders and suburban-esque areas counted as part of the central city you can see that density is nearly identical to Cincinnati, with Cleveland being considerably denser than both.

City growth rate 2010-2015:
Columbus: +8.0%
Cincinnati: +.5%
Cleveland: - 2.2%

When it comes to the core counties and inner-ring suburbs you can see that again Columbus is not that far off from the other C's.
County Density 2015:
Cuyahoga 2,800/sq mi
Franklin: 2,186/sq mi
Hamilton: 1,987/sq mi

County Growth Rate 2010-2015
Franklin: +7.6%
Hamilton: +.7%
Cuyahoga: -1.9%

[jbcmh81]

Originally Posted by Buckeye614

You are correct, Columbus annexed a MASSIVE amount of land between 1950-1970. That annexation has tapered off and in the last two decades has been pretty small. The part I bolded in your post is somewhat inaccurate.


Based on city's alone 2015 estimates:
Cleveland-5,107.0/sq mi
Cincinnati-3,809.9/sq mi
Columbus-3,624.0/sq mi

Even with Columbus's inflated borders and suburban-esque areas counted as part of the central city you can see that density is nearly identical to Cincinnati, with Cleveland being considerably denser than both.

City growth rate 2010-2015:
Columbus: +8.0%
Cincinnati: +.5%
Cleveland: - 2.2%

When it comes to the core counties and inner-ring suburbs you can see that again Columbus is not that far off from the other C's.
County Density 2015:
Cuyahoga 2,800/sq mi
Franklin: 2,186/sq mi
Hamilton: 1,987/sq mi

County Growth Rate 2010-2015
Franklin: +7.6%
Hamilton: +.7%
Cuyahoga: -1.9%

For the record, based on 2015 population estimates, Columbus' density would NOT be 3624. All those density numbers are from 2010. Given that Columbus has annexed only about 2 square miles since 2010 and has added about 70K people in that time, it's population density would now be higher than Cincinnati's. Columbus has very underrated density in its core neighborhoods, and indeed across the city, considering its much larger size.

[cbusflyer]

Based on 2015 city estimates

Columbus is coming in at
3914per sq/m 850,106/217.17

Cincinnati is coming in at
3830per sq/m 298,550/77.54

Cleveland is coming in at
4994per sq/m 388,072/77.70

All figures are based on 2015 city estimates and only land area not including water.

Columbus has passed Cincinnati and upon reaching 1,080,000 people will pass Cleveland.

Columbus is on pace to add 120, 000 from. 2010 to 2020. So it should take about 15 more years to pass Cleveland in density.

[Peregrine]

In CLE's defense, much of that population loss was to other bordering counties.

[Cleveland_Collector]

An old, rehashed subject. Especially over the past 60 years, Columbus has been a the beneficiary of the other 2 C's economic productivity via tax redistribution. Its 2 largest employers are state government and the largest taxpayer funded university in the country. Combine that with the forced annexation, the 'growth' model is quite evident. Even though there are a few on this board who refuse to acknowledge it, Columbus enjoys a large, publicly funded economic advantage that most other cities do not.

[cbusflyer]

Originally Posted by Cleveland_Collector

An old, rehashed subject. Especially over the past 60 years, Columbus has been a the beneficiary of the other 2 C's economic productivity via tax redistribution. Its 2 largest employers are state government and the largest taxpayer funded university in the country. Combine that with the forced annexation, the 'growth' model is quite evident. Even though there are a few on this board who refuse to acknowledge it, Columbus enjoys a large, publicly funded economic advantage that most other cities do not.

Ha, don't tell me Cleveland would not love to go back in time and do the same. How many overlapping jurisdictions does Cleveland really need. Sure Columbus runs the show in Ohio for government affairs but Cleveland's woes are their own doing. They only need to look to Pittsburgh, to see how they could have diversified their economy by now.

[applej3]

Originally Posted by Natural510

John Smith's post is ridiculous and not worthy of a response.

Agree. Apparently he doesn't get around much.
Headquarters for Wendy's, White Castle, Nationwide Insurance, several large hospitals, Battelle.
Lots of law firms and banks.

Desirable and growing residential areas include Dublin, Upper Arlington, Bexley, Powell, New Albany, Westerville. Also German Village which some like but not my cup of tea.

[Jbeechuk]

Lol..the CLE vs. COL thing will never die. Can't each city just respect the other?

[KY_Transplant]

Cleveland's development, although starting to pick up a little, is no match for the boom going on in Columbus currently. Over the Holidays I drove through both cities and just by the "eye test" you could see how much more is being developed in Columbus. I saw multiple cranes in Columbus starting all the way near Gemini through Downtown...even little Sunbury on the far North Side seems to be building up with the new Tanger Outlets and housing subdivisions.

I am originally from Cleveland, and it is sad to see how slow the growth has been there and also within it's suburbs, compared to Columbus, Pittsburgh, and Cincinnati. If I had to move back to Ohio, I would not choose Cleveland, it would either be Cincinnati or Columbus for many reasons.