Do you support the new Trump ban on travel from 7 Muslim countries, even though opposed by Ohio's U.S. Senators? (Republic: taxes, dangerous)

[jbcmh81]

Originally Posted by 1watertiger

Not fear. Not in the least.
Just being proactive and learning from liberal europes mistakes.
Your the person afraid. Your afraid to hurt someone's feelings and calling a spade a spade when you see one. More weakness and political feel-good correctness. How did the participation trophys help the kids? Oh that's right, kids learned no practice+no hard work+no dedication=trophy
Sorry but I don't suscribe to rubbish.
You say "liberal have empathy" but you want all the working people to pay for all your concerns,injustices and guilt

"Your" "trophys" Good lord...

You and other conservatives are clearly muddying your boxers over the threat of Islamic terrorism. There's nothing PC about facts.
And didn't the Boomers come up with the whole trophy thing?

[jbcmh81]

Originally Posted by 1watertiger

I bet you a great lakes beer that the Supreme Court reverses it. will you except that decision if it happens? Or you going to claim Russian involvement?😎

"Except"

[1watertiger]

Originally Posted by jbcmh81

How many were in the US? How many were in Western nations outside of war zones like Syria, Afghanistan and Iraq? Even your own link suggests they were heavily concentrated in those areas, not Europe. You're not proving your point, even by posting from a well-known conservative website.

My point is this. Islamic terrorists are The only people in modern times killing inocent christians, Jews, atheists, gays, non-conforming muslims in the name of god.
Do you really think they're going to stop and repent?
We should do everything in our power including a ban and or extreme vetting to keep these animals off our continent.

[PerryMason614]

Originally Posted by jbcmh81

Um, no. The president cannot engage in unconstitutional anything. He's not a god, king or dictator, and it's disgraceful that you think it would be great if he was.

Frankly, I imagine terrorists talk about Westerners an awful lot like you talk about Muslims/immigrants in general.

Um, yes.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KqY3qdrvOt0

[jbcmh81]

Originally Posted by 1watertiger

My point is this. Islamic terrorists are The only people in modern times killing inocent christians, Jews, atheists, gays, non-conforming muslims in the name of god.
Do you really think they're going to stop and repent?
We should do everything in our power including a ban and or extreme vetting to keep these animals off our continent.

They are? So the thousands of murders in the US every year are all caused by Muslims?

There already is effective vetting for immigrants into the US. Most of them are going to be far better Americans than you.

[WRnative]

Have any of Trump's snake oil customers considered that Trump, hotel and resort magnate, doesn't actually want to restrict travel from Muslim countries? Trump-like luxury hotels are being hit the hardest by Trump's travel ban proposals.

Trump’s travel ban is hitting luxury hotels the hardest | New York Post

Trump's "travel ban" tweetstorm today generally is regarded as impairing the chances of the Supreme Court overturning lower court rulings against the Trump administration on this issue. Is this an accidental stupidity, or a cunning, deliberate effort by Trump to have his cake (political support from fawning Trumpies) while protecting his business interests, especially globally (by having the Supreme Court continuing to block his travel restrictions)? Additionally, Trump would be able to blame any terrorist attacks on the judicial system if the Supreme Court blocks his executive orders. Fawning Trumpies, obviously susceptible to Goebbels-like propaganda, would howl and scream about the court's failure to protect American security, never once asking themselves an obvious question, "Where is Trump's legislative proposal to increase the nation's security in relation to foreign travelers?" Why fool around with the courts when he possesses working majorities in both Congressional chambers?

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The issue before the Supreme Court isn't whether the thing is a travel "ban" or a travel "pause," but whether it's a barely disguised form of religious discrimination, one targeting believers in Islam (even though, of course, not all such believers). Part of what Trump tweeted over the past day or so does indeed bear on that issue.

For instance, the original version of the order included a pair of provisions giving express priority to minority religions that Trump publicly told groups of Christians was meant to help them, whereas those tell-tale provisions were conspicuously omitted from the version now before the court.

But now Trump insists in his tweets that the court ought to ignore that difference and admits he went along with the "watered-down" version of the ban, with its less obviously discriminatory cast and with its added due process protections, solely out of what he now claims was an ill-advised concession to "political correctness."

In making this assertion, and in adding in another tweet he would like the court to render a quick decision that approves the original ban along with the cosmetically improved new version -- the President not only betrays his complete failure to understand how the judicial process works but exposes the unchanged religious bigotry that underlies his order in either of its incarnations.>>

Laurence Tribe: The true cluelessness of Trump's travel ban tweets (Opinion) - CNN.com

I doubt very much that Trump, one of the most litigious Americans alive, doesn't understand the workings of the American legal system. He's duping both his supporters and his critics IMO.

[Kamms]

Originally Posted by jbcmh81

A "temporary" ban that has no guarantee it couldn't be extended indefinitely. And those nations still don't make any sense as the US hasn't had any terrorism from any of them. Oh, and it's unconstitutional. Or does that not matter?

The Supreme Court makes the unconstitutional decisions, not you.

[1watertiger]

Originally Posted by jbcmh81

They are? So the thousands of murders in the US every year are all caused by Muslims?

There already is effective vetting for immigrants into the US. Most of them are going to be far better Americans than you.

I guess you can't comprehend writing. Or maybe you just decide to ignore my point.
I said only islamists are killing tens of thousands of inocent people around the world in "the name of God".
Is my statement clear to you now ?
The thousands of murders in the USA are not committed by people yelling praise God and expecting to get 92 virgins for their kill. Nice try though.

2nd, if the vetting is so effective as you state. How did we end up with 10+ million illegals and arabs on watch-lists? Just trying to understand the intelligence of your comment.

I won't bother commenting in retaliation for your put down. City data doesn't allow for that and I don't want more suspension time. But I will say you really tough hiding behind a computer in Mexico aren't you?
You are a far left liberal who screams tolerance for everyone and everything,, until, someone disagrees with your perfect world view through your rose colored glasses. Then you are reduced to name calling and insults.

[1watertiger]

Originally Posted by WRnative

Have any of Trump's snake oil customers considered that Trump, hotel and resort magnate, doesn't actually want to restrict travel from Muslim countries? Trump-like luxury hotels are being hit the hardest by Trump's travel ban proposals.

Trump’s travel ban is hitting luxury hotels the hardest | New York Post

Trump's "travel ban" tweetstorm today generally is regarded as impairing the chances of the Supreme Court overturning lower court rulings against the Trump administration on this issue. Is this an accidental stupidity, or a cunning, deliberate effort by Trump to have his cake (political support from fawning Trumpies) while protecting his business interests, especially globally (by having the Supreme Court continuing to block his travel restrictions)? Additionally, Trump would be able to blame any terrorist attacks on the judicial system if the Supreme Court blocks his executive orders. Fawning Trumpies, obviously susceptible to Goebbels-like propaganda, would howl and scream about the court's failure to protect American security, never once asking themselves an obvious question, "Where is Trump's legislative proposal to increase the nation's security in relation to foreign travelers?" Why fool around with the courts when he possesses working majorities in both Congressional chambers?

<<
The issue before the Supreme Court isn't whether the thing is a travel "ban" or a travel "pause," but whether it's a barely disguised form of religious discrimination, one targeting believers in Islam (even though, of course, not all such believers). Part of what Trump tweeted over the past day or so does indeed bear on that issue.

For instance, the original version of the order included a pair of provisions giving express priority to minority religions that Trump publicly told groups of Christians was meant to help them, whereas those tell-tale provisions were conspicuously omitted from the version now before the court.

But now Trump insists in his tweets that the court ought to ignore that difference and admits he went along with the "watered-down" version of the ban, with its less obviously discriminatory cast and with its added due process protections, solely out of what he now claims was an ill-advised concession to "political correctness."

In making this assertion, and in adding in another tweet he would like the court to render a quick decision that approves the original ban along with the cosmetically improved new version -- the President not only betrays his complete failure to understand how the judicial process works but exposes the unchanged religious bigotry that underlies his order in either of its incarnations.>>

Laurence Tribe: The true cluelessness of Trump's travel ban tweets (Opinion) - CNN.com

I doubt very much that Trump, one of the most litigious Americans alive, doesn't understand the workings of the American legal system. He's duping both his supporters and his critics IMO.

Regarding muslims in his hotels,
I don't think Trump cares.
This is just dribble from a rag(nyt) and a bias liberal news station.
Besides no one cares. Why not report real news like Trumps 2wk trip and meetings with world leaders?
How about report how the fabric of Europe has changed forever by non- assimilating muslims?
No-go zones around France?
The news is not doing any of us a service left or right lately.
Here's real interesting news that Fox or CNN aren't covering. Why?
https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/5...ce-no-go-zones

[WRnative]

Originally Posted by 1watertiger

Regarding muslims in his hotels,
I don't think Trump cares.
This is just dribble from a rag(nyt) and a bias liberal news station.
Besides no one cares. Why not report real news like Trumps 2wk trip and meetings with world leaders?
How about report how the fabric of Europe has changed forever by non- assimilating muslims?
No-go zones around France?
The news is not doing any of us a service left or right lately.
Here's real interesting news that Fox or CNN aren't covering. Why?
https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/5...ce-no-go-zones

Again, you miss the obvious. Trump has done nothing to change the immigration laws.

His "temporary" travel ban not only is ineffective, but apparently his administration has done nothing to tighten security clearances, as promised to have been implemented by now.

Why not?

Now, with today's Tweetstorm, Trump has greatly jeopardized his own judicial case.

Why would he do that?

As I've said repeatedly, I would support greatly altering the immigration laws to massively restrict immigration, eliminate birth right citizenship, eliminate dual citizenship, etc. Yet Trump and the Republicans, despite repeated promises, have made no effort to do anything.

Why not?

Again, you're just buying snake oil and worshiping the snake oil salesman. Wise up!