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View Poll Results: Cleveland-Akron-Cincinnati-Dayton-Columbus mega region forming?
Yes (definitely) 3 12.50%
No (never) 17 70.83%
Maybe 4 16.67%
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Old 01-12-2019, 09:34 PM
 
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Just looking at a highway map Cincinnati and Dayton areas look like they're growing into each other as well as Cleveland-Akron. Do you think both of these areas could one day grow to include Columbus to form a mega region of the state's largest cities/metros?
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Old 01-13-2019, 07:00 AM
 
Location: Cleveland and Columbus OH
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Just looking at a highway map Cincinnati and Dayton areas look like they're growing into each other as well as Cleveland-Akron. Do you think both of these areas could one day grow to include Columbus to form a mega region of the state's largest cities/metros?
One major reason for the growth into each other is the sprawl. Not something we should want. Also, Columbus is not close by. That would be insane sprawl.
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That area spans 3 different media markets. I've never heard of a region being formed that included more than 2.
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Old 01-13-2019, 08:17 AM
 
Location: Cleveland
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One major reason for the growth into each other is the sprawl. Not something we should want. Also, Columbus is not close by. That would be insane sprawl.
I concur. Cinci-Dayton is not growing, it essentially has flat population growth over the last 40 years. If Cinci-Dayton is burning up greenspace then that is doing more long term damage than any good. The same thing is occurring in Cleveland - Akron.

As for Columbus, it is growing and burning up green space for residential/retail/office. The long term affects of this are probably not all that great for Columbus or the state.

At this point in time, we need to be building sustainable communities, not stretching our infrastructure (water, sewer, roads, electric, gas) over more and more acreage to supply essentially the same number of people. We should probably also start trying to grow as much of our food within the state.
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Old 01-13-2019, 11:26 AM
 
Location: Belton, Tx
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Thanks for the responses everyone. I brought this up because all 3 metros seem like they're not too far apart and the subject of mega cities and regions interests me a great deal.
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Old 01-13-2019, 01:08 PM
 
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If mankind doesn't rapidly transition away from fossil fuel consumption, it would not be shocking to see by 2100, or even by 2040 or 2050, a mega-urban area stretching from Greater Cleveland to Greater Cincinnati and beyond along I-71. Consider the possible depopulation of the Northeast Corridor, much of which may be under water by 2100 if the U.S. and other governments don't aggressively promote a transition away from fossil fuel consumption.

https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2...rak-sea-level/

Currently, there is little cognizance, let alone concern, about the prospect of rapid sea level rise in coming decades. Scientists even in the last six months have been documenting how temperatures in the cryosphere are now more regularly higher than the melting point of ice and how temperatures, especially of the oceans, are increasing.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/10/c...te-change.html

The next U.N. panel report, and post-Trump administration NOAA forecasts, may incorporate projections of much, much more rapid sea level rise rates than now incorporated in widely used projections. Existing NOAA and Army Corps of Engineer forecasts project a foot of sea level rise by 2030, which alone likely will encourage even Floridians, who continue to elect politicians who belittle man-made climate change science, to take the inundation very seriously. See current sea level rise projections in the graphs in the following article.

Is South Florida Doomed By Sea-Level Rise? Experts Say No. In Fact, They're Optimistic | WLRN

Now consider scientists pondering just in 2018 the implications of rising temperatures in the cryosphere and the increasing risks of catastrophic collapse of unfathomably large Anarctic glaciers, let alone accelerating ice melt.

<<All this could play out in a mere 20 to 50 years—much too quickly for humanity to adapt.
“With marine ice cliff instability, sea-level rise for the next century is potentially much larger than we thought it might be five or 10 years ago,” Poinar says.>>

https://www.wired.com/story/two-melt...ur-coastlines/

Scientists are now initiating a comprehensive study of the Thwaites Glacier.

https://thwaitesglacier.org/

See video here:

https://thwaitesglacier.org/about

One NASA glaciologist already has said that the Thwaites Glacier is in a state of "unstoppable" collapse.

https://www.wired.com/story/antarcti...reaking-point/

Imagine if the ongoing Thwaites research produces dire warnings, combined with the expected, but not appreciated sea level rise rates already expected by 2030. The exodus from Florida and other coastal areas may begin with a vengeance. Unlike in 2016 or even 2018, it appears likely that man-made climate change will be a focus of the 2020 election cycle, especially if Michael Bloomberg or Washington governor Jay Inslee pursue the Democratic Party nomination.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/all/202...c-iowa-n943746

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics...sident/579217/

In the last six months, major scientific studies have warned, even without the collapse of Anarctic glaciers, of accelerating ice melt that also will accelerate sea level rise.

<<“Rather than increasing steadily as climate warms, Greenland will melt increasingly more and more for every degree of warming. The melting and sea level rise we’ve observed already will be dwarfed by what may be expected in the future as climate continues to warm,” said Trusel.>>

https://www.whoi.edu/news-release/gr...four-centuries

https://climate.nasa.gov/news/2832/m...are-waking-up/

NASA's new ICESat-2 satellite may rapidly provide the empirical evidence needed to increase scientific credibility even further.

<<Early data suggest that Antarctica’s Dotson ice shelf has lost more than 390 feet (120 meters) in thickness since 2003, Smith told the Associated Press.>>

https://www.washington.edu/news/2018...eet-elevation/

NY state's climate change investor fraud lawsuit against ExxonMobil also may sway U.S. public and political opinion.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...climate-change

Vicious feedback loops are being triggered such as the thawing of the massive methane deposits in the Arctic and a lowering of the earth's albedo as ice and snow cover no longer reflects sunlight, resulting in an increase in absorption of solar irradiance. Accelerating methane levels in the atmosphere may also result in very dire scientific warnings. See post 26 in this thread.

https://www.city-data.com/forum/ohio/...ge-ohio-3.html

Given the 37 billion metric tons of carbon dioxide that mankind continues to dump into the atmosphere annually due to fossil fuel consumption, disastrously high and still growing levels of atmospheric carbon dioxide levels mean that a climate change catastrophe still is unavoidable. And still some U.S. politicians and media continue to belittle the climate change scientists.

Put very high odds on the scientists ultimately winning the man-made climate change science debate, but not until an exodus from the East Coast and Florida already is well underway.

E.g., the majority of Floridians today ignore the warnings.

https://www.theguardian.com/environm...elizabeth-rush

https://www.miamiherald.com/opinion/...219770350.html

That will change as beaches and coastal nature preserves more visibly begin to disappear, and if a hurricane due to "rapid intensification" over the much warmer oceans devastates a major population area. Rising hurricane and flood insurance rates within a few years could weigh heavily on Florida homeowners.

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2018...ntensification

Personally my opinion is, barring a concerted legislative push on the part of Ohio's legislators, unlikely under the current governor and legislators, count on the rapid urbanization of Ohio in the next two decades. Enjoy the "old Ohio" while you can IMO.

Conversations are just beginning about the negative impact of expected higher air temperatures on the quality of life in the South.

https://www.dallasnews.com/news/clim...ithin-25-years

And, despite living in the Lake Erie snowbelt, I still haven't used my snow blower this year. I've only shoveled, like a couple inches of fluffy snow today that would have easily melted by afternoon (currently 33 degrees F. with bright sunlight), out of a sense of nostalgia and a desire for some outdoor exercise on such a nice winter day.

https://www.city-data.com/forum/cleve...weather-2.html

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Old 01-13-2019, 07:43 PM
 
Location: Belton, Tx
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If mankind doesn't rapidly transition away from fossil fuel consumption, it would not be shocking to see by 2100, or even by 2040 or 2050, a mega-urban area stretching from Greater Cleveland to Greater Cincinnati and beyond along I-71. Consider the possible depopulation of the Northeast Corridor, much of which may be under water by 2100 if the U.S. and other governments don't aggressively promote a transition away from fossil fuel consumption.

https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2...rak-sea-level/

Currently, there is little cognizance, let alone concern, about the prospect of rapid sea level rise in coming decades. Scientists even in the last six months have been documenting how temperatures in the cryosphere are now more regularly higher than the melting point of ice and how temperatures, especially of the oceans, are increasing.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/10/c...te-change.html

The next U.N. panel report, and post-Trump administration NOAA forecasts, may incorporate projections of much, much more rapid sea level rise rates than now incorporated in widely used projections. Existing NOAA and Army Corps of Engineer forecasts project a foot of sea level rise by 2030, which alone likely will encourage even Floridians, who continue to elect politicians who belittle man-made climate change science, to take the inundation very seriously. See current sea level rise projections in the graphs in the following article.

Is South Florida Doomed By Sea-Level Rise? Experts Say No. In Fact, They're Optimistic | WLRN

Now consider scientists pondering just in 2018 the implications of rising temperatures in the cryosphere and the increasing risks of catastrophic collapse of unfathomably large Anarctic glaciers, let alone accelerating ice melt.

<<All this could play out in a mere 20 to 50 years—much too quickly for humanity to adapt.
“With marine ice cliff instability, sea-level rise for the next century is potentially much larger than we thought it might be five or 10 years ago,” Poinar says.>>

https://www.wired.com/story/two-melt...ur-coastlines/

Scientists are now initiating a comprehensive study of the Thwaites Glacier.

https://thwaitesglacier.org/

See video here:

https://thwaitesglacier.org/about

One NASA glaciologist already has said that the Thwaites Glacier is in a state of "unstoppable" collapse.

https://www.wired.com/story/antarcti...reaking-point/

Imagine if the ongoing Thwaites research produces dire warnings, combined with the expected, but not appreciated sea level rise rates already expected by 2030. The exodus from Florida and other coastal areas may begin with a vengeance. Unlike in 2016 or even 2018, it appears likely that man-made climate change will be a focus of the 2020 election cycle, especially if Michael Bloomberg or Washington governor Jay Inslee pursue the Democratic Party nomination.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/all/202...c-iowa-n943746

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics...sident/579217/

In the last six months, major scientific studies have warned, even without the collapse of Anarctic glaciers, of accelerating ice melt that also will accelerate sea level rise.

<<“Rather than increasing steadily as climate warms, Greenland will melt increasingly more and more for every degree of warming. The melting and sea level rise we’ve observed already will be dwarfed by what may be expected in the future as climate continues to warm,” said Trusel.>>

https://www.whoi.edu/news-release/gr...four-centuries

https://climate.nasa.gov/news/2832/m...are-waking-up/

NASA's new ICESat-2 satellite may rapidly provide the empirical evidence needed to increase scientific credibility even further.

<<Early data suggest that Antarctica’s Dotson ice shelf has lost more than 390 feet (120 meters) in thickness since 2003, Smith told the Associated Press.>>

https://www.washington.edu/news/2018...eet-elevation/

NY state's climate change investor fraud lawsuit against ExxonMobil also may sway U.S. public and political opinion.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...climate-change

Vicious feedback loops are being triggered such as the thawing of the massive methane deposits in the Arctic and a lowering of the earth's albedo as ice and snow cover no longer reflects sunlight, resulting in an increase in absorption of solar irradiance. Accelerating methane levels in the atmosphere may also result in very dire scientific warnings. See post 26 in this thread.

https://www.city-data.com/forum/ohio/...ge-ohio-3.html

Given the 37 billion metric tons of carbon dioxide that mankind continues to dump into the atmosphere annually due to fossil fuel consumption, disastrously high and still growing levels of atmospheric carbon dioxide levels mean that a climate change catastrophe still is unavoidable. And still some U.S. politicians and media continue to belittle the climate change scientists.

Put very high odds on the scientists ultimately winning the man-made climate change science debate, but not until an exodus from the East Coast and Florida already is well underway.

E.g., the majority of Floridians today ignore the warnings.

https://www.theguardian.com/environm...elizabeth-rush

https://www.miamiherald.com/opinion/...219770350.html

That will change as beaches and coastal nature preserves more visibly begin to disappear, and if a hurricane due to "rapid intensification" over the much warmer oceans devastates a major population area. Rising hurricane and flood insurance rates within a few years could weigh heavily on Florida homeowners.

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2018...ntensification

Personally my opinion is, barring a concerted legislative push on the part of Ohio's legislators, unlikely under the current governor and legislators, count on the rapid urbanization of Ohio in the next two decades. Enjoy the "old Ohio" while you can IMO.

Conversations are just beginning about the negative impact of expected higher air temperatures on the quality of life in the South.

https://www.dallasnews.com/news/clim...ithin-25-years

And, despite living in the Lake Erie snowbelt, I still haven't used my snow blower this year. I've only shoveled, like a couple inches of fluffy snow today that would have easily melted by afternoon (currently 33 degrees F. with bright sunlight), out of a sense of nostalgia and a desire for some outdoor exercise on such a nice winter day.

https://www.city-data.com/forum/cleve...weather-2.html
Will take me a bit to go through it all but interesting what I've read so far.
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Old 01-15-2019, 12:07 PM
 
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And, despite living in the Lake Erie snowbelt, I still haven't used my snow blower this year. I've only shoveled, like a couple inches of fluffy snow today that would have easily melted by afternoon (currently 33 degrees F. with bright sunlight), out of a sense of nostalgia and a desire for some outdoor exercise on such a nice winter day.

https://www.city-data.com/forum/cleve...weather-2.html
My wife bought me a snowblower for xmas. Maybe I'll get to use it next year.

RE: the OP. As others have said, I don't see it happening. And yes, urban sprawl is horrible for so many reasons that I hope a "mega region" never happens.
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Old 01-15-2019, 01:17 PM
 
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My wife bought me a snowblower for xmas. Maybe I'll get to use it next year.
Or this weekend, according to weather forecasts that I've seen!
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Old 01-16-2019, 11:04 AM
 
Location: Springfield, Ohio
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Well they need to unite for economic purposes, as do the Great Lake states in general, if they want to compete in the global economy. California, the PNW and Bos-Wash corridor are all prospering while the Midwest is left behind. If Midwestern states could combine their resources (ie university technology & research) instead of picking each others’ bones, the entire region would be better off long-term.
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