[kallenfranchise]

Originally Posted by e_cuyler

Just heard a report on the local radio about the drought....both the announcer and one of the interviewees referred to OK as a "Great Plains" state or "Southern Plains" state. Granted, they were interviewing farmers in Southwestern OK, but still...

There is a difference between a Great Plains state and a Southern Plains state. The Great Plains is a region where the High Plains and Southern Plains are microregions within the Great Plains. If they were interviewing farmers in Southwestern OK, then it is likely that they referred to it as a Southern Plains state, which would be fairly accurate (since most of the state falls within the Plains). The Oklahoma Panhandle is the only area that is considered as the High Plains.

[swake]

The Great Plains - From the University of Nebraska.

[Mattie Jo]

Originally Posted by archer_22

I I used to visit that place a lot and have rarely heard a "ya'll" from anyone, but then again, I haven't met everyone who lives in Oklahoma.

And then I move from CA where we used to say, "You guys," and now I say "Ya'll." I mean when you think of it, what is this "You guys?"

Originally Posted by bluenoter

I would say Oklahoma is in that region of the US the says "Worsh" & "Worshington".

I am from CA, and I have always said "worsh" and "Worshington." Got it from my mother who grew up in Texas.

I think of Texas as a Southwestern State, so since we are right above it, why not Central something. Oklahoma doesn't feel southern to me since I have lived in the south, but it doesn't feel southwestern either. It just feels like the center of the world.

[kallenfranchise]

Originally Posted by eddie gein

It fits best as the great plains (northern and southern) but if we were going to classify the great plains in the typical model that is argued on C-D, then the northern great plains has to be classified as "midwestern" while the southern great plains has to be classified as "southern" or "southwestern".

I agree. Oklahoma is SouthxSouthwest. I can't take credit for that statement (credit goes to BassCatfish2008) but I agree with it.

[johnspecial]

Originally Posted by swake

The Great Plains - From the University of Nebraska.

That is not an accurate map of the plains. The map I posted is based on satellite imagery and is the actual geographical location of the great plains. Oklahoma City nor Tulsa is situated in the Great Plains.

I'm sorry that bothers you. Once again I will show you and the other windmill and wheat field Okies where the actual plains are situated.

[johnspecial]

So here is what this thread has revealed.

1.Oklahoma is a southern state. Geographically, culturally and historically.
2. Most Okies understand that Oklahoma is a southern state
3. Those who think Oklahoma is part of the Midwest are usually
a)from Tulsa
b)from California
c)don't understand where the midwest is (usually transplants from the coastal areas)
d)don't want Oklahoma to be associated with southern culture.

[Rubi3]

johnnotspecial, you do not know what most people think.

[swake]

Originally Posted by johnspecial

That is not an accurate map of the plains. The map I posted is based on satellite imagery and is the actual geographical location of the great plains. Oklahoma City nor Tulsa is situated in the Great Plains.

I'm sorry that bothers you. Once again I will show you and the other windmill and wheat field Okies where the actual plains are situated.

Satellite imagery. Good one, and a lie.
Your map is lifted from a Virginia middle school history teacher's website.
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Mine is from the University of Nebraska's Center for Great Plains Studies.

[eddie gein]

Originally Posted by swake

Satellite imagery. Good one, and a lie.
Your map is lifted from a Virginia middle school history teacher's website.
About the Author


Mine is from the University of Nebraska's Center for Great Plains Studies.

I really don't agree with either map. John Spayshalls map doesn't include western Oklahoma which is ridiculous. I'd say that the plains in Oklahoma start along I-35 or HWY 81 depending on what part of Oklahoma you are in as the cross timbers extend to HWY 81 in some regions.

On the U Nebraska map, I don't consider the eastern 1/4 of Kansas, and maybe the eastern 1/8th of Nebraska the great plains. In Oklahoma, they are considering the tall grass prairies as great plains. I really don't think it fits the real model of the great plains, nor does the area around Stillwater and points south. It's too wooded around there to be the plains for the most part.

[Zachj7]

The map that John posted is good for the most part except they took a huge chunk of Oklahoma and a North Texas for whatever reason. That chunk is still parts of the Great Plains. The U of Nebraska map is interesting and I am curious to their logic to include eastern KS, NE, SD, and ND? Maybe elevation slopes down gently from the Rockies and stops sloping down when it reaches the eastern border of their map?