Alaskan Pipeline/ Cali Gas line/ Railway on the coast (construction, taxes)

[Larry Caldwell]

The Biscuit Fire is burning again. The east coast fund raisers wouldn't let anyone salvage it, so all those decade old dead trees are still there, providing a huge fuel load. As of this morning, the new fire was 5% contained.

[KaaBoom]

Originally Posted by Elk Wallow

Oh right..... Got to clear cut the forests because they are going to burn down!

The forests of Oregon have evolved with fire over millions of years due to lightning strikes in the mountains. Still, the most beautiful and biodiverse forests in the country.

I always get a good laugh listening to people talk about how the forest, that have existed for millions of years, suddenly need to be "managed", or they are going to die and all the animals are going to go extinct. Thank god that humans came along to save the forests and the animals.

[Nell Plotts]

Actually the forests in the Pacific NW were managed by the Natives. They regularly burned off forest till and undergrowth to prevent massive burns. They also cut trees to provide open areas for deer and elk, an important source of food.

[Elk Wallow]

We like Oregon just the way it is. No"improvements" needed. No pipelines, railroads, clear cuts on the forests belonging We the People, no gas overseas export ports owned by other nations, no urban sprawl. Oregon is perfect just the way it is

[Larry Caldwell]

Originally Posted by Elk Wallow

We like Oregon just the way it is. No"improvements" needed. No pipelines, railroads, clear cuts on the forests belonging We the People, no gas overseas export ports owned by other nations, no urban sprawl. Oregon is perfect just the way it is

Yes, we particularly need to stop the barbarians who think they can live in a tool shed in the woods and ruin it for everyone.

[Elk Wallow]

Its an agricultural installation, barn, milkhouse and feedshed. Hows that for "improvements".

[Elk Wallow]

The law of of Oregon is are that there can be no clear cutting by the Forest Practice Act. No moonscapes of stumps are allowed on the slopes to erode into the streams, no monocultures of GMO Douglas firs planted after spraying the land with herbicides. Selective cutting is allowed on NF timber leases. 1/3 of trees may be cut and the other native trees must be left standing. This preserves the greatest forest biodiversity in the nation. There is plenty of lumber cut in Oregon to make junk food wrappers.

My agricultural installation is allowed by county zoning laws set by the planning dept. It is also within the environmental protection laws of the DEQ. It creates food for people. How about abiding by the rules of this forum concerning personal attacks?

[KaaBoom]

Originally Posted by Elk Wallow

The law of of Oregon is are that there can be no clear cutting by the Forest Practice Act. No moonscapes of stumps are allowed on the slopes to erode into the streams, no monocultures of GMO Douglas firs planted after spraying the land with herbicides. Selective cutting is allowed on NF timber leases. 1/3 of trees may be cut and the other native trees must be left standing. This preserves the greatest forest biodiversity in the nation. There is plenty of lumber cut in Oregon to make junk food wrappers.

My agricultural installation is allowed by county zoning laws set by the planning dept. It is also within the environmental protection laws of the DEQ. It creates food for people. How about abiding by the rules of this forum concerning personal attacks?

So why is this happening? I see lots of forest service land being reduced to moonscape.

[Larry Caldwell]

Originally Posted by KaaBoom

So why is this happening? I see lots of forest service land being reduced to moonscape.

There are a number of obvious answers:

1) That is almost certainly not be forest service land. Why do you think it is?

2) The only clear cutting that has happened on federal land in the last 20 years has been to control disease like an outbreak of root rot, and only happens after extended periods of public comment and publication of the information on the USFS web site, so you can find out why if you want to look it up.

3) The federal government is not bound by the Oregon Forest Practices Act, since state law does not rule the federal government. The OFPA does not ban clear cuts, but it restricts the size. The photo you postage stamp sized parcel, and almost certainly private land. Private land will be replanted immediately.

[KaaBoom]

Originally Posted by Larry Caldwell

There are a number of obvious answers:

1) That is almost certainly not be forest service land. Why do you think it is?

IDK, the maps show it as being part of the Siuslaw National Forest. The roads are maintained by the Forest Service.