Why can't you pump your own gas in Oregon? (Portland: sales, appliances)

[Larry Caldwell]

Originally Posted by ccjarider

Just some rebuttal to each of the above:
1. NVA jobs are not needed. The $ taken to finance NVA could and would be used in a more productive manner.
2. Gross exaggeration - How is waiting around for a person to show up equaling customer service?
3. wtf??? Do they work for free? If not, you are paying for it.
4. Fail- sitting in line does not save time. Also for all the greenies out there, you should be upset by the millions of tons of carbon put into atmosphere by idling cars at Oregon gas stations.
5. Unfortunately - gotta agree with you on that one.

3. Self-service allows big oil to drive independent stations out of business, then jack up the prices. All of the surrounding states with self-service have higher gas prices than Oregon. You can either pay the pump jockey or Dick Cheney, your choice. Cheney costs more.

[ccjarider]

Originally Posted by Larry Caldwell

3. Self-service allows big oil to drive independent stations out of business, then jack up the prices. All of the surrounding states with self-service have higher gas prices than Oregon. You can either pay the pump jockey or Dick Cheney, your choice. Cheney costs more.

Oh for cryin out loud Larry - How on earth does having someone pump gas prohibit this fake theory of yours from occurring?

The only reason gas is higher in other states is that they tax it more. You guys do know that you pay more in tax than you pay for the product don't you?

http://taxfoundation.org/blog/how-hi...xes-your-state

[Bluesmama]

Originally Posted by ccjarider

Just some rebuttal to each of the above:
1. NVA jobs are not needed. The $ taken to finance NVA could and would be used in a more productive manner.
2. Gross exaggeration - How is waiting around for a person to show up equaling customer service?
3. wtf??? Do they work for free? If not, you are paying for it.
4. Fail- sitting in line does not save time. Also for all the greenies out there, you should be upset by the millions of tons of carbon put into atmosphere by idling cars at Oregon gas stations.
5. Unfortunately - gotta agree with you on that one.

1. I don't know what NVA stands for, and I'm not sure I want to know. But you do realize that there are not enough jobs out there to employ all above-skilled people, let alone less-skilled - right?


2. Funny, waiting is never much of a problem for us, and we buy gas from several stations. And the smell of gas stays in their hands, not ours.


3. Taxes or no taxes, I'm not interested in joining California's bandwagon. Taxes or no taxes, it still comes out of our pockets. But, then, WE pay only CASH for our gasoline, so maybe we pay more attention to what it costs us.


4. Again, waiting is not an issue. Every time a car doesn't move it's because the driver is piddling around doing something - shopping the store, using the restroom, who knows what else? And this occurs down in California just as much.


5. And, yes, I love it.

[wolfdog]

Originally Posted by Larry Caldwell

3. Self-service allows big oil to drive independent stations out of business, then jack up the prices. All of the surrounding states with self-service have higher gas prices than Oregon. You can either pay the pump jockey or Dick Cheney, your choice. Cheney costs more.

Get out for some fresh air, Larry.

[McFrostyJ]

IF we went to self serve, gas prices in Oregon would drop by a few cents for a few weeks. Then they would pop right back up to where they were and 10,000 Oregonians would have lost their jobs.


That is something I would NEVER vote for.

[KaaBoom]

Originally Posted by ccjarider

Just some rebuttal to each of the above:
1. NVA jobs are not needed. The $ taken to finance NVA could and would be used in a more productive manner.

Jobs are needed. The economy can’t function, without jobs.

Originally Posted by ccjarider

2. Gross exaggeration - How is waiting around for a person to show up equaling customer service?

Self Service = no service. Pumping gas is customer service.

Originally Posted by ccjarider

3. wtf??? Do they work for free? If not, you are paying for it.

The gas corporations are paying for it. Oregon gas prices are lower then California or Washington. If Full Service gas stations were eliminated tomorrow, the gas prices would stay the same or would go up. If elimination of gas pumping jobs really lowered gas prices, then the CA and WA prices would be lower.

When Americans were sold the Self Service bill of goods in the 1970s they were promised that they would still have a choice between Full Service, and cheaper Self Service. Then the Full Service disappeared entirely, and the Full Service price became the Self Service price. Corporations always gouge consumers for every penny they can get from them. They are all ready charging as much for gas as the market will bear. Elimination of thousands of gas pumping jobs, would not change the gas prices, one bit.

Originally Posted by ccjarider

4. Fail- sitting in line does not save time. Also for all the greenies out there, you should be upset by the millions of tons of carbon put into atmosphere by idling cars at Oregon gas stations.

First you are not allowed fill your gas tank, while the car idling. Second read this post from another thread in the Automotive Forum. Better yet go and read then entire thread. It totally disproves your entire point.

Originally Posted by mclasser

I come across these people a lot. Busy gas station with people waiting and the person filling up is confused as hell. First, they take their time getting out of the car. Ok, maybe they're getting their credit card ready. Nope. They come out, fumble around with the pump only to realize their wallet is still in the car. They then get it but fumble around with the pump some more, inserting the card like 5 times. After finally getting over the wizardry of paying with a credit card, they realize the gas flap is still closed. So, back into the car they go while still tugging on the gas nozzle. The flap opens but it takes them another minute to insert the nozzle and actually fill up the car. Some of these folks then go sit in their car because you know, staying outside for a couple of minutes when filling gas is for peasants and they can't dare be seen like this. They get caught up with their phone or whatever party's going on inside and don't realize the pump clicked off a while ago. They then slowly make their way out, close up everything and then sit for another minute before finally driving off.

I'm seriously considering only filling up at odd hours as to avoid these characters.

Originally Posted by ccjarider

5. Unfortunately - gotta agree with you on that one.

Well, at least we agree on something.

[Ruth4Truth]

Originally Posted by Nell Plotts

The reason why gas is cheaper on an Indian Reservation is that they don't pay some taxes, for example property tax.

No, that's not why gas is cheaper on rez's. It's cheaper because state and federal fuel taxes don't apply.

[Larry Caldwell]

Originally Posted by Ruth4Truth

No, that's not why gas is cheaper on rez's. It's cheaper because state and federal fuel taxes don't apply.

State fuel taxes don't apply, but I think they pay federal tax.

[Ruth4Truth]

Originally Posted by Larry Caldwell

State fuel taxes don't apply, but I think they pay federal tax.

Rez-based businesses are exempt from federal taxes. This is based on the "Indians not taxed" phrase in the US Constitution.

[karlsch]

Originally Posted by ccjarider

Just some rebuttal to each of the above:
1. NVA jobs are not needed. The $ taken to finance NVA could and would be used in a more productive manner.
........

When I Google NVA job I get National Veterinary Associates jobs.

What do you mean by NVA job?