Phased Reopening (Coos Bay: sales, university, restaurant)

[Silverfall]

Originally Posted by Cloudy Dayz

That would make zero sense. You think people will be able to eat in restaurants and drink in bars, but not launch their boats for the next year? The beaches are open now. The state parks will reopen on May 8, unless the closure is extended. Parks will be in Step 1.

I think restaurants and bars will be in for a world of hurt for a long time. The only way to not have that happen is to test everyone which isn't going to happen. Businesses can open all they want. It doesn't mean people will go and eat there. 80% of the population supports the shutdown, regardless of political affiliation. You are welcome to think that by "opening" up something that means people will go there in droves. I disagree. I think that 20% will be happy to go out and the other 80% will be cautious. Opening up something doesn't mean that things will return to normal.

She just opened up medical procedures for May 1. You can't open too many things up at the same time and the coast can't handle all of the cases that would head that way if she opens the campgrounds. I personally don't think she will reopen state parks on May 8th, but I think when they reopen parks they will close them again in the fall as there will likely be a surge again. Maybe day use might be opened up. I don't know. They are tracking cases by zip code so they know where the hot spots are.

[pavedwithgold]

Originally Posted by Cloudy Dayz

but it only takes one infected person to spread it around.

After all these weeks and months, it is still amazing to me that people don't GET how disease spreads.

You are completely correct about what you just said. There's really no sense in trying to explain this further.

[mathlete]

Meanwhile here in Taiwan, the 17th most densely populated country on earth, schools are open, restaurants are open, businesses are open and functioning normally. It’s been that way since the beginning when, for a brief moment, Taiwan had the highest number of coronavirus cases outside China due to the influx of tens of thousands of Taiwanese citizens fleeing the pandemic in China.

There hasn’t been a death from coronavirus here in over a month now. It’s been weeks since a single case of community transmission in a country of 24 million. Most days now it’s zero or one new case and it’s some returning citizen who was infected elsewhere.

It’s not due to testing because Taiwan tests a fraction of the number the U.S. is testing now. If you ask anyone here it’s because the Taiwan government instituted a crash national program to supply every citizen and, in particular, every health care worker with ample supplies of surgical and N95 masks and 95% of the people wear them voluntarily. This Great Wall of face masks is bolstered by a second line of defense in the form of hand sanitizers everywhere in public so you don’t have to wait until you get home to disinfect your hands.

So far this Great Wall has defeated everything the coronavirus has thrown at it, allowing daily life to function almost normally.

[Cloudy Dayz]

Originally Posted by Larry Caldwell

Coos County has 4 cases, all in the correctional center.

You have to realize we are all going to catch it eventually. How many people do you know who have never had a cold? We can't stay locked down forever. All anyone is planning to do is keep the number of cases low enough that medical facilities are not overwhelmed.

This is not a cold. It's the #1 cause of death at this time. Today is going to be a record high number of new cases for the US. If these idiotic plans to "Liberate America" before the number of cases even peaks, goes through, hundreds of thousands of Americans are going to die unnecessarily. First the government blundered it by not taking action soon enough, now we are blundering it a second time and trying to reopen too soon. No other country in the world has blundered it this badly. The US with 4% of the world's population has 26% of the world's COVID-19 deaths, and it's only going to go higher. This does not need to happen.

[Cloudy Dayz]

Originally Posted by mathlete

Meanwhile here in Taiwan, the 17th most densely populated country on earth, schools are open, restaurants are open, businesses are open and functioning normally. It’s been that way since the beginning when, for a brief moment, Taiwan had the highest number of coronavirus cases outside China due to the influx of tens of thousands of Taiwanese citizens fleeing the pandemic in China.

There hasn’t been a death from coronavirus here in over a month now. It’s been weeks since a single case of community transmission in a country of 24 million. Most days now it’s zero or one new case and it’s some returning citizen who was infected elsewhere.

It’s not due to testing because Taiwan tests a fraction of the number the U.S. is testing now. If you ask anyone here it’s because the Taiwan government instituted a crash national program to supply every citizen and, in particular, every health care worker with ample supplies of surgical and N95 masks and 95% of the people wear them voluntarily. This Great Wall of face masks is bolstered by a second line of defense in the form of hand sanitizers everywhere in public so you don’t have to wait until you get home to disinfect your hands.

So far this Great Wall has defeated everything the coronavirus has thrown at it, allowing daily life to function almost normally.

Meanwhile Americans are left fending for themselves, and trying to make their own masks.

Another important difference. Taiwan was already working on a plan to deal with this pandemic 19 days before Trump was even told about it, then it took him another nine days before they started working on a plan. So Taiwan had a 28 day head start on the US.

[mathlete]

When the U.S. Surgeon General and CDC were telling Americans face masks don't work --and the White House was secretly obtaining them from Taiwan -- Taiwan went on a crash program to build 100 high speed face mask machines. In forty-five days it went from producing 1.5 million surgical and N95 masks per day to 15 million.

[Larry Caldwell]

Originally Posted by mathlete

When the U.S. Surgeon General and CDC were telling Americans face masks don't work --and the White House was secretly obtaining them from Taiwan -- Taiwan went on a crash program to build 100 high speed face mask machines. In forty-five days it went from producing 1.5 million surgical and N95 masks per day to 15 million.

It was amazing to me that the CDC was blatantly lying to the American public by telling people not to wear masks. That lie alone infected thousands.

[Larry Caldwell]

Originally Posted by Cloudy Dayz

This is not a cold. It's the #1 cause of death at this time. Today is going to be a record high number of new cases for the US. If these idiotic plans to "Liberate America" before the number of cases even peaks, goes through, hundreds of thousands of Americans are going to die unnecessarily. First the government blundered it by not taking action soon enough, now we are blundering it a second time and trying to reopen too soon. No other country in the world has blundered it this badly. The US with 4% of the world's population has 26% of the world's COVID-19 deaths, and it's only going to go higher. This does not need to happen.

The point is, Cloudy, you are going to catch it. Everybody is going to catch it. It's not going away. People will still be catching it 20 years from now. The human race has a new disease with no possibility of ever eradicating it. Fortunately, while it is very contagious, it is nowhere near as deadly as diseases like measles, but with over 30 strains already in circulation, the prospects for a vaccine are pretty dim.

[MtnSurfer]

Originally Posted by mathlete

Meanwhile here in Taiwan, the 17th most densely populated country on earth, schools are open, restaurants are open, businesses are open and functioning normally. It’s been that way since the beginning when, for a brief moment, Taiwan had the highest number of coronavirus cases outside China due to the influx of tens of thousands of Taiwanese citizens fleeing the pandemic in China.

There hasn’t been a death from coronavirus here in over a month now. It’s been weeks since a single case of community transmission in a country of 24 million. Most days now it’s zero or one new case and it’s some returning citizen who was infected elsewhere.

It’s not due to testing because Taiwan tests a fraction of the number the U.S. is testing now. If you ask anyone here it’s because the Taiwan government instituted a crash national program to supply every citizen and, in particular, every health care worker with ample supplies of surgical and N95 masks and 95% of the people wear them voluntarily. This Great Wall of face masks is bolstered by a second line of defense in the form of hand sanitizers everywhere in public so you don’t have to wait until you get home to disinfect your hands.

So far this Great Wall has defeated everything the coronavirus has thrown at it, allowing daily life to function almost normally.

That was a smart, decisive and proactive move by Taiwan. It's too bad America couldn't have acted more swiftly. Instead, we're now spending billions reactively in the form of relief aid due to the fallout economically and medically.

Derek

[leastprime]

I agree, Sliverfall.