Sanford chief: Shooting death of Miami teen not enough evidence to arrest shooter. (Orlando: high school, legal)

[tiluha]

Bottom line....No one will ever know what really happened that tragic night...except GZ and Trayvon...sadly only one is able to speak and to "protect" himself he will remain silent...

Maybe CA and GZ can get together, run off into the sunset and disappear forever...

[Aimewitue]

Originally Posted by Spring Hillian

Apparently he got out of his car to keep an eye on the subject. That way when the police arrived he could direct them to his person of concern.


I don't see what the question is here.

Anyone who's thought process is saying that he got out of the car, walked up to Martin and then shot him is insane.

It is obvious that Zimmerman was leaving the scene when Martin jumped him. Why? Mr. Martin was "disrespected" so he decided to pound on the person who "dissed" him. Happens every day.

Only this time the guy who got dissed and took action got shot in the chest during the assault.

As far as Sanford PD. It is clear they did what they had to do. They took the shooter into custody. They were ready to process him but a State Attorney told them to let him go. They did.


All this BS about coverups, etc is a bunch of bull.

This is the 21st century. Any public agency, especially a police department, knows the drill when it comes to taking in a suspect. They do it every day.

You dont see what the question is???:sm ack:

Question 1. Zimmerman wasnt leaving the scene he was following him the unarmed kid.check this map out:
http://bcclist.files.wordpress.com/2...erman-path.jpg

Question 2. After following him Zimmerman claims that the unarmed kid attacked him to the point of death......Yet 35 min later he is seen in a live video with NO BLOOD AND NO INJURIES?????? Question that???

Question 3. Why did the state attorney arrive in person at the police department not to press charges??? THIS IS HIGHLY UNUSUAL

Question 4......Every Police department in the country says the Drill is to take pictures of a subject injuries they didnt take pictures of zimmerman injuries.
Obviously the SPD didnt follow this DRill??? Why not??? since u say everyone knows the drill.

Question 5 the 911 dispatcher tells ZImmerman not to follow the unarmed KID. a FREAKIN KID MAN..........Yet Zimmerman ARMED follows the kid anyway. Question that??

Zimmerman dad a former judge did he have influence with the state attorney?? Did Zimmerman dad have a relationship with Sanford PD???

Biggest Question: Despite all this Evidence and the fact that the unarmed kid is dead........why isnt george zimmerman in jail awaiting trial???

[boxus]

One thing, the police messed up from the start, I am saying this after being an LEO for three years. Unless it is some strange protocol there, I do not see how the investigation conformed with norms in the law enforcement community. This is going to have significant impact when/if it goes to trial as the burden is on the state to prove beyond a reasonable doubt the charge, this is why even if it goes to court, I do not think it will be on a murder charge.

Both Martin and Zimmerman were in the right (according to the law), up until the point one of them initiated the physical contact. Who initiated the contact is going to be the most important factor in this. Well, only two people know, and one of them is dead. However, Zimmerman appears to have a history that suggests he is an instigator of situations that result in him initiating physical contact, Martin does not have that history.

The injuries that Zimmerman may/may not have are really irrelevant, if Martin was defending himself from Zimmerman, it would be expected that Martin do all he can to defend himself, any rational person would.

I would like to know the ballistic analysis of the shooting, at what distance the shot was taken and the angle, that should give some essential clues as to what happened in the final moments, but so far there is nothing that will light to who initiated the physical contact.

[Aimewitue]

Originally Posted by boxus

One thing, the police messed up from the start, I am saying this after being an LEO for three years. Unless it is some strange protocol there, I do not see how the investigation conformed with norms in the law enforcement community. This is going to have significant impact when/if it goes to trial as the burden is on the state to prove beyond a reasonable doubt the charge, this is why even if it goes to court, I do not think it will be on a murder charge.

Both Martin and Zimmerman were in the right (according to the law), up until the point one of them initiated the physical contact. Who initiated the contact is going to be the most important factor in this. Well, only two people know, and one of them is dead. However, Zimmerman appears to have a history that suggests he is an instigator of situations that result in him initiating physical contact, Martin does not have that history.

The injuries that Zimmerman may/may not have are really irrelevant, if Martin was defending himself from Zimmerman, it would be expected that Martin do all he can to defend himself, any rational person would.

I would like to know the ballistic analysis of the shooting, at what distance the shot was taken and the angle, that should give some essential clues as to what happened in the final moments, but so far there is nothing that will light to who initiated the physical contact.

GREAT POST I AGREE 100%%%%%%

Yeah where is the AUTOPSY REPORT its been done already because the funeral director has martin body.

Ballistic analysis will reveal more about bullet entering and exit....i think the distance will be crucial in this case.

[annerk]

Originally Posted by Aimewitue

GREAT POST I AGREE 100%%%%%%

Yeah where is the AUTOPSY REPORT its been done already because the funeral director has martin body.

Ballistic analysis will reveal more about bullet entering and exit....i think the distance will be crucial in this case.

No, the autopsy isn't done. There are certain tests that are part of the process which can take weeks to get the results from. Just because the body has been released, it doesn't mean that the autopsy results have been finalized.

[Aimewitue]

Originally Posted by annerk

No, the autopsy isn't done. There are certain tests that are part of the process which can take weeks to get the results from. Just because the body has been released, it doesn't mean that the autopsy results have been finalized.

NO it is DONE but under seal until investigation is COMPLETE.

The Volusia County Medical Examiner's office, the body that "independently, objectively and scientifically determines the cause and manner of death under certain circumstances," handled the autopsy.For now, that report remains under seal, spokesman Dave Byron told The Times. It has been forwarded to the Seminole County branch of the Florida state attorney's office and won't be made public while the investigation is pending.




Trayvon Martin case: What does the autopsy show? - latimes.com

[Aimewitue]

More questions?????????

1) Zimmerman claims through others that he had a broken nose or at the very least trauma to his nose.

When he got out of the car he didn't seem in any distress

Notice he was breathing through his nose. If his nose was broken not only would he have black eyes but would have had distressed breathing and would have been breathing through his mouth.

2) His clothes were pristine and even his shirt was tucked in neatly.

There was no sign of grass or dirt stains on his back. There was no blood either on his jacket or his light colored t-shirt. No stains on his jeans.

3) They said Trayvon after knocking him down with one punch to the nose. After which Trayvon straddled him pinning his arms with his knees and pummeling him about the face and head with both hands.

In addition to no sign of his nose being injured but if he took many punches to the face with some on top punching down with all that leverage and Zimmermans head on the ground with no way to give.

His face would have been bruised and swollen.

4) They said his head was repeatedly slammed on the sidewalk and he got a gash that required stitches to close.

There was no sign of a gash and there was no sign him receiving prior treatment. No blood. No bandages no nothing.

Also due to liability concerns the police would not have allowed a visibly injured party to not go to the hospital.

If he had a head injury and they took him into their possession without medical treatment and he went into a coma or some **** they would be open to a lawsuit.

5) if he had taken that type of beating and had a broken nose and a gash in his head that would require stitches to close he would not have been so composed and stable getting out of the car or after he got out.

He showed no signs of discomfort or distress of any kind.

[annerk]

Originally Posted by Aimewitue

NO it is DONE but under seal until investigation is COMPLETE.

The Volusia County Medical Examiner's office, the body that "independently, objectively and scientifically determines the cause and manner of death under certain circumstances," handled the autopsy.For now, that report remains under seal, spokesman Dave Byron told The Times. It has been forwarded to the Seminole County branch of the Florida state attorney's office and won't be made public while the investigation is pending.




Trayvon Martin case: What does the autopsy show? - latimes.com

Sorry sweetheart, but tox reports don't come back that fast, regardless of what some media might lead you to believe.

[Aimewitue]

Originally Posted by annerk

Sorry sweetheart, but tox reports don't come back that fast, regardless of what some media might lead you to believe.

of course toxicology takes longer..Toxicology also varies depends on a lot of factors could be days,weeks or months.......too bad they didn't test Zimmerman for drugs.

Which is also part of investigating something they didnt do???

[annerk]

Originally Posted by Aimewitue

of course toxicology takes longer..Toxicology also varies depends on a lot of factors could be days,weeks or months.......too bad they didn't test Zimmerman for drugs.

Which is also part of investigating something they didnt do???

And tox reports are part of the autopsy.