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Old 10-09-2012, 12:58 PM
 
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One of the main reasons I have not returned to school. Why go to school, learn something and then earn exactly as much as I'm making right now? Makes no sense
Unless you can look past local conditions to move someplace else where that isn't the case. There are places one can move where most jobs pay a living wage.
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Old 10-09-2012, 11:31 PM
 
Location: Las Vegas, NV
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Unless you can look past local conditions to move someplace else where that isn't the case. There are places one can move where most jobs pay a living wage.
Well as long as Obama is in office, those cities will grow fewer and fewer...but politics all aside

At the moment I'm going to do what my family is telling me to. Stick with Publix, its where I'm supposed to be, where I belong. I dont have any business being anywhere else. At least if I do decide to go somewhere else, I will have my stock money to take with me if I choose to do so

But for the time being, I will be staying here

















ROMNEY-RYAN 2012!!!!!!!!!!
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Old 10-10-2012, 05:42 AM
 
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[quote=DavieJ89;26449311]Well as long as Obama is in office, those cities will grow fewer and fewer...but politics all aside

At the moment I'm going to do what my family is telling me to. Stick with Publix, its where I'm supposed to be, where I belong. I dont have any business being anywhere else. At least if I do decide to go somewhere else, I will have my stock money to take with me if I choose to do so

But for the time being, I will be staying here



Turn off the FauxNews brainwashing Davie, and don't even attempt to say it's "balanced". To begin with the President doesn't run the country with his own seamless agenda, we have this other entity known as Congress. In our current non-bipartisan environment the GOP-dominated Congress has managed to play Opposite-ville to whatever Obama has wanted, particularly over the past year....just in time for the elections in hopes that most dumb Americans will think he alone is not getting anything done. Because most dumb Americans don't know how our government works. Besides that and "politics aside" there are actually more economically vibrant cities now than there were 4 years ago. Orlando isn't one because we have a one-dimensional economy. The cities that are experiencing lower unemployment rates are diversified or have found new ways to thrive. You seem somewhat intelligent Davie and would recommend watching less propaganda TV, and watch (or even read) more of a varied view in which to formulate your own opinions.
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Old 10-10-2012, 06:41 AM
 
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. The cities that are experiencing lower unemployment rates are diversified or have found new ways to thrive.
Yup.... they're located in fiscally conservative places like TX and ND, where the government understand what a pro-business environment and common-sense environmental legislation wrt natural resources can do for employment and job growth.
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Old 10-10-2012, 08:20 AM
 
Location: Orlando Metro Area
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Well as long as Obama is in office, those cities will grow fewer and fewer...but politics all aside

At the moment I'm going to do what my family is telling me to. Stick with Publix, its where I'm supposed to be, where I belong. I dont have any business being anywhere else. At least if I do decide to go somewhere else, I will have my stock money to take with me if I choose to do so

But for the time being, I will be staying here



Turn off the FauxNews brainwashing Davie, and don't even attempt to say it's "balanced". To begin with the President doesn't run the country with his own seamless agenda, we have this other entity known as Congress. In our current non-bipartisan environment the GOP-dominated Congress has managed to play Opposite-ville to whatever Obama has wanted, particularly over the past year....just in time for the elections in hopes that most dumb Americans will think he alone is not getting anything done. Because most dumb Americans don't know how our government works. Besides that and "politics aside" there are actually more economically vibrant cities now than there were 4 years ago. Orlando isn't one because we have a one-dimensional economy. The cities that are experiencing lower unemployment rates are diversified or have found new ways to thrive. You seem somewhat intelligent Davie and would recommend watching less propaganda TV, and watch (or even read) more of a varied view in which to formulate your own opinions.
Last time I checked, the Senate and Executive Office is Democrat dominated so please explain your statement. Also, what does Fox news have to do with Davie having a (smart IMO) opinion on the economy and supporting Mitt Romney?? Are you seriously thinking that the only reason somebody would vote Republican is because they are brainwashed by Fox News? I know plenty of Republicans that don't even watch Fox (other than the Gordon Ramsey shoes like Hell's Kitch, and Kitch Nighmares, etc.).

On the Orlando economy, it's not just that we are tourism based because our tourism market has rebounded and in some cases exceeds pre-recession levels. I think it's also because we, and Florida as a whole, are a growth driven economy and for things to be considered "good", we have to be building and building. Maybe these factors go hand in hand, but it's hard to keep hearing how we're so tourism based and that's why we have such unemployment, yet Dinsey is expanding, Universal expanded, and Orlando now welcomes the most people we ever have at 55 million per year.
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Old 10-10-2012, 02:41 PM
 
Location: Las Vegas, NV
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Last time I checked, the Senate and Executive Office is Democrat dominated so please explain your statement. Also, what does Fox news have to do with Davie having a (smart IMO) opinion on the economy and supporting Mitt Romney?? Are you seriously thinking that the only reason somebody would vote Republican is because they are brainwashed by Fox News? I know plenty of Republicans that don't even watch Fox (other than the Gordon Ramsey shoes like Hell's Kitch, and Kitch Nighmares, etc.).

On the Orlando economy, it's not just that we are tourism based because our tourism market has rebounded and in some cases exceeds pre-recession levels. I think it's also because we, and Florida as a whole, are a growth driven economy and for things to be considered "good", we have to be building and building. Maybe these factors go hand in hand, but it's hard to keep hearing how we're so tourism based and that's why we have such unemployment, yet Dinsey is expanding, Universal expanded, and Orlando now welcomes the most people we ever have at 55 million per year.
+1 Orl!

Kyle, for what it's worth. I actually voted FOR Obama in 2008. Back then I was 18 and it was my first Presidential Election I could vote in. I was also a registered Democrat.

In the 3 years since Obama (I wont name call here) has been in office, he has added $6 trillion to the national debt, and currently has a $1.2 trillion deficit. As Bill O'Reilly said in his debate with John Stewart "Debt...Is....Bad!" If Obama is elected to a 2nd term, that debt will increase to $20 trillion plus by 2016.

The truth is Ross Perot rang the financial sirens back in 1992 when he ran against Bill Clinton and George HW Bush. And in 20 years, what has the government done about it? NOTHING! I don't think Mitt Romney will be a cure-all to this country's financial woes but he will certainly be a more responsible spender than Obama. We need to do some serious spending cuts here if we can remain fiscally solvent as a country

I also do not agree with all the entitlement programs Obama is putting out there. Obamacare is a great example and it is hurting our economy already. Kyle, did you know that Darden restaurants is going to switch more of their employees from full time to part time status to avoid paying for Obamacare. If other companies follow Darden's example, that could SERIOUSLY HURT this already fragile economy. And those who are employed part time who are trying to get full time at their jobs (like me) may have a difficult if not IMPOSSIBLE time getting that full time status needed to move up in the company, and make more money. People making less money means less spending and purchasing power, which means more jobs lost (for discetionary spending places like restaurants, casinos, movie theaters, bowling allies, etc) and thus another recession

Also the Democratic Party wants to create an entitlement socialist culture much like what they have in Western Europe. Where gas is $9 a gallon (which Obama's people have said they WANT in this country) their economies have been flat-lining for years if not shrinking, and most countries are bankrupt due to all their entitlement handouts they give unproductive citizens. As far as entitlments go, I have no problem with people who are taking them because they geniunely need them. For example, a man who was just laid off from his job applies for food stamps to feed his wife and kids, fair enough his family genuinely needs it! This man gets another job that pays a similar salary, and gets off food stamps. He does exactly what the benefit was created for...those who are down on their luck.

It is not intended for somebody who collects a welfare check, food stamps, wic, medicaid, etc and says "No, I don't want to work. Give me my stuff. I want whats coming to me, I'm poor because the rich are keeping me down" It is LAZY unproductive people like that who are bankrupting this country and the Democrats want to GIVE THEM MORE? Its insanity! By creating all these entitlement programs for the poor, it gives them less incentive to do better in their professional and personal life because they think "Eh the government is going to take care of it, why should I try harder?" Thus they end up staying in poverty depending on the government forever. I saw a customer at work today who paid for her groceries with food stamps AND WIC and was bragging to her girl friend who was with her how she got the new I-Phone 5! must be nice considering I cant even GET food stamps

Sorry for such a long rant, but Kyle it's everything above that is what Obama has done and what is wrong with this country. Mitt Romney won't fix it all but I think he will be a better leader. For what it's worth, with issues like abortion and gay marriage I side with Democrats. And besides Florida saw its best years under Jeb Bush, a Republican

Obama wants to create a culture of takers. Romney wants to create more producers. I consider myself a producer, I might not make $60k a year but I work hard and bust my ass to make what I make and I depend on as little help as possible

I'm a producer, not a taker!

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Old 10-10-2012, 10:16 PM
 
Location: Orlando Metro Area
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Obama wants to create a culture of takers. Romney wants to create more producers. I consider myself a producer, I might not make $60k a year but I work hard and bust my ass to make what I make and I depend on as little help as possible

I'm a producer, not a taker!
Keep up this attitude and you'll make a lot more than 60k per year.
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Old 10-10-2012, 11:57 PM
 
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To all of you that're voting for Obama, ask yourself this question. Has your life gotten any easier or better in the last 4 years that Barack Hussein Obama has been in the office? You can throw numbers around all you want, the truth is economy is worse now than ever in recent memories.

You want full-time jobs that pay well with great benefits? Stop burying small businesses that make up 75% of the employment field in taxes and other government overheads.

Wait a minute, I forgot Kyle. Obama voters want minimum wage to increase, but somehow prices to decrease, while wanting those unemployment benefits to increase (surprise:business cost rises), and all this while complaining that businesses should hire more people and give them benefits. Take money from the "rich" and give it to the "poor." Communism?

Definition:
"poor" - freeloaders and/or those that consider 30 hours a week full-time job, those who want more money and less work, under-qualified people that complain about their living standards and paychecks while doing nothing to better it
"rich" - those who worked hard to save up money by living within their means to start their own business and are beginning to enjoy their success through hard work and perseverance

This is how economics work nationally. You give poor/poverty stricken people money, all that does is make the mega wealthy, wealthier. While the middle class goes hmm let's see because minimum wage goes up, prices go up, and since I'm not a freeloader I have to pay for my health insurance and rising gas/food costs.

Mark my words. When you force business owners to give up money, 1 or 2 things will happen.
1). Small business owners will lay off employees to make ends meet
2). Large business/corporate owners will lay off employees to meet profit

Good luck Obama voters. I'm sure your life will be as great as the last 4 years has been for ya.
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Old 10-11-2012, 03:39 AM
 
Location: Hernando County, FL
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Turn off the FauxNews brainwashing Davie, and don't even attempt to say it's "balanced". To begin with the President doesn't run the country with his own seamless agenda, we have this other entity known as Congress. In our current non-bipartisan environment the GOP-dominated Congress has managed to play Opposite-ville to whatever Obama has wanted, particularly over the past year....just in time for the elections in hopes that most dumb Americans will think he alone is not getting anything done. Because most dumb Americans don't know how our government works. Besides that and "politics aside" there are actually more economically vibrant cities now than there were 4 years ago. Orlando isn't one because we have a one-dimensional economy. The cities that are experiencing lower unemployment rates are diversified or have found new ways to thrive. You seem somewhat intelligent Davie and would recommend watching less propaganda TV, and watch (or even read) more of a varied view in which to formulate your own opinions.
I love when one end of the spectrum tells the other that the news they are watching is biased and proceed to give the point of view of the other end of the rainbow.
Would you have some link or anything to show us how there are more economically vibrant cities now over four years ago? Does economically vibrant mean the are experiencing great economic growth?

Here is a map showing cities average economic growth between 2001 and 2010, green is good and red is bad


And here is 2008-2010, newest I could find but we see a lot more red


Looking at these maps it does not seem that there are more economically vibrant cities now than there were 4 years ago.

And Orlando has the 5th highest average economic growth of large metros between 2001-2010 according the the US Bureau of Economic Analysis so your view of Orlando seems to be a little slanted by your news sources.
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Old 10-11-2012, 04:32 AM
 
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Keep up this attitude and you'll make a lot more than 60k per year.
Agreed
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