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Old 03-21-2011, 04:22 PM
 
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Kohlberg's theory of moral development states that people evolve through 3 levels of moral development. The first stage is conventional role conformity, where moral thinking is ruled by punishments and rewards. The second level is role conformity, where morality is guided by external social expectations and authority figures. The third stage is self accepted moral principles, where people begin to act according to the common good, regardless if it conflicts with established rules and values. If this is true, are we teaching our kids to be less moral through rewarding good behavior (as in if one gets good grades they can get a good job which will provide them with material goods) and enforcing punitive policies for bad behavior (such as zero tolerance policies for kids who are caught at school with drugs)? Could we be raising our kids in a society which enforces policies that stunt teenagers' moral development? Are we not teaching them to think about right versus wrong, and to develop their own internalized values?
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Old 03-21-2011, 04:28 PM
 
Location: Denver 'burbs
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You are assuming that the only reason to reward good behavior and punish poor behavior is to teach. Of course, teaching/learning is desirable but a child who brings drugs to school (to use your example) is not punished only so that he can learn that school is not the appropriate venue for drugs, it is also about managing a large group of people in a controlled environment that needs to be safe for all who are there.
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Old 03-21-2011, 04:51 PM
 
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It's paper writing time I guess? I get tired of this..well tired argument that society is going down the tubes, and we're all so immoral, etc. I quick look at the lives of the Roman emperors (Caligula springs to mind) and a few other people through the ages remind us that there have always been immoral people, and no doubt always will be.
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Old 03-21-2011, 04:52 PM
 
Location: Denver 'burbs
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It's paper writing time I guess? I get tired of this..well tired argument that society is going down the tubes, and we're all so immoral, etc. I quick look at the lives of the Roman emperors (Caligula springs to mind) and a few other people through the ages remind us that there have always been immoral people, and no doubt always will be.
Midterms you know....
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Old 03-21-2011, 05:03 PM
 
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The parents are less moral, for sure. It's not the teenagers; it's the parents.....IMO.
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Old 03-22-2011, 05:59 AM
 
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regardless of time or purpose, this is a viable question. For my thoughts yes we are not teaching our children some very important principles because we are caught up with trying to survive and maintain financial support for the families we have, thus the support factor takes precedence over education.
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Old 03-22-2011, 10:21 AM
 
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Depends on who you talk to. Socrates, Plato, Aristotle, St. Augustine, Descartes, Leibniz, Kant, Hegel and Nietzsche all had interesting perspectives governing right and wrong, morality and the general human existence. I would suggest starting with Socrates, man did he have a lot to say about "corrupting youth", and work your way up to Nietzsche. After all of that, you might be able to develop your own thought process and answer the question.
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Old 03-22-2011, 10:24 AM
 
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regardless of time or purpose, this is a viable question. For my thoughts yes we are not teaching our children some very important principles because we are caught up with trying to survive and maintain financial support for the families we have, thus the support factor takes precedence over education.
I think this quote puts the pressures into perspective:

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I must study politics and war that my sons may have liberty to study mathematics and philosophy. My sons ought to study mathematics and philosophy, geography, natural history, naval architecture, navigation, commerce, and agriculture, in order to give their children a right to study painting, poetry, music, architecture, statuary, tapestry, and porcelain.

~ John Adams
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Old 03-22-2011, 12:47 PM
 
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After all of that, you might be able to develop your own thought process and answer the question.
Which leads us to the question of how moral it is to rely on anonymous posters on the internet to help you write papers. If that is, indeed what is happening here. (Not that I'm not always up for a good discussion, but this is the type of question that would have sent me into the library for days to do my own reading and contemplation never to be seen except for periodic trips to the john and Taco Bell.)

Would it be moral to gleem some tidbit of wisdom from C-D and claim it as your own? Or are today's teenagers of such high moral quality that they credit ZimboChick in their footnotes?
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Old 03-22-2011, 12:58 PM
 
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Or are today's teenagers of such high moral quality that they credit ZimboChick in their footnotes?
I should hope so. After all I don't charge very much, and I am famous in my own mind!
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