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Old 08-09-2011, 08:09 PM
 
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What is the issue with beauty.
We seem to be very uncomfortable with the idea that girls and women are beautiful.
Sounds like some anti men thing.
Oh, please aidxen. This is not an issue of beauty.

This is about prematurely sexualizing a young girl.
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Old 08-09-2011, 08:17 PM
 
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What is the issue with beauty.
We seem to be very uncomfortable with the idea that girls and women are beautiful.
Sounds like some anti men thing.
Just because men enjoy looking at beautiful women, we will respond by attempting to guilt people into aiming to dress down and look ordinary.

If some women make a life as just being a thing of beauty well so what. Good on them. If you've got then work it baby.

Are girls really sexualised any more now than in the past? Or are adults just more sensitive to it.

As I said in another post, a few hundred years ago, girls were dressed to present themselves as virtuous potential mothers and home makers. If that was not sexualising them then what was it?
Interesting...and I think would apply more if this were a picture of a woman, not a girl.

I think the thing that bothers most people so much is this IS a little girl, and the mother in all of us see her as target, or a bait, for sickos and pervs, and don't understand why a mother would put her little girl out there like that.

My problem isn't the pictures, but the exposure. Kids expose more of themselves on their Facebook and Myspace pages than this girl is on this picture. Not that I think that's okay, but just to say it could be a lot worse.

And, if a child has parents that are truly looking out for their best interest and not their own bank accounts, I think a kid could have a successful and non-exploiting career. Offhand, Tyra Banks comes to mind. I remember in an interview, on her show, somewhere, I can't remember, she talked of how as a teenager, her mother was with her no matter where she went, and she never got involved in the drugs, sex, and craziness of the industry because of her mom's guidance. Brandy, Beyonce, Natalie Portman, and Monica are other child and teen stars I can think think of offhand who seemed to stay on the right track and maintain a good head on their shoulders. Then you have Britney Spears, Lindsay Lohan, Drew Barrymore (who did pull herself together quite well.)

I think if a parent decides to allow their child to act or model, they have to be very careful and cautious about their child's exposure and the way they are portrayed. I notice a few of you mentioning Brooke Shields...who remembers how, when she got to be a young woman, she tried to sue the photographer who took nude photos of her as a child (that her mom CONSENTED to) to keep him from publishing them? And in the end, he got to do whatever he wanted with them, because her mom gave permission. Coincidentally, I think she was about 10 in the pictures. Now THAT is sick.
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Old 08-09-2011, 08:31 PM
 
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I remember Tyra talking about having to pose with male models, when she was 13, and not experienced with what the photographer expected in the shoot, a very sexually charged, explicit picture.

She stated she just did what the photographer expected.

Sorry, as a Mom, I just could not "pimp" out my child like that, no matter what the reward was. I almost feel like those Mom's have to be sociopaths to completely turn their kids into objects.
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Old 08-09-2011, 09:07 PM
 
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Not sure if anyone realizes this, but many of the models you see on the runway and in fashion magazines are 13-18 years old. Of course, there are older ones, too. Take a very close look next time you're reading a fashion magazine or next time you watch a fashion show.
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Old 08-10-2011, 02:02 AM
 
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I don;t see anything wrong with it, it is fashionable art and lil girls like to play dress up in general. As a former child model I think it is up to the child to say if they want to do this or not.

This lil girl is GORGEOUS and has a great career at a young age and could be a lot of mothers who would want their child to model are pee'd because there lil one did not get this assignment.


There is nothing sexual about these photos and its nothing new. When I was working as a young model Brooke Shields was doing More provocative work then me back in the 70's and that is over 30 yrs ago.


BY the way I have seen lil girls with tiny bikinis on on the beach with parts of their cheeks sticking out but that is okay..... go figure.
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Old 08-10-2011, 09:52 AM
 
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Originally Posted by aidxen View Post
What is the issue with beauty.
We seem to be very uncomfortable with the idea that girls and women are beautiful.
Sounds like some anti men thing.
Just because men enjoy looking at beautiful women, we will respond by attempting to guilt people into aiming to dress down and look ordinary.

If some women make a life as just being a thing of beauty well so what. Good on them. If you've got then work it baby.

Are girls really sexualised any more now than in the past? Or are adults just more sensitive to it.

As I said in another post, a few hundred years ago, girls were dressed to present themselves as virtuous potential mothers and home makers. If that was not sexualising them then what was it?
I guess my question in return would be "why do women have to spackle on 30 lbs of Elizabeth Arden's finest and wedge our feet into not-compatible-with-actual-toes shoes to be considered "beautiful"? And why, if we choose not to do so, is that "anti-male"?
Moreover, why, if we don't encourage actual sex with ten year olds, do we encourage them to dress as if we do?

The bigger problem with "making a life as a thing of beauty" is that beauty fades. A woman who is merely beautiful at twenty is not going to be able to live on that at fifty. Then what does she do? She's been conditioned to seek approval as an ornament, and few men are interested in antique ornaments, current popularity of the show Cougartown notwithstanding.
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Old 08-10-2011, 10:46 AM
 
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Originally Posted by aidxen View Post
What is the issue with beauty.
We seem to be very uncomfortable with the idea that girls and women are beautiful.
Sounds like some anti men thing.
Just because men enjoy looking at beautiful women, we will respond by attempting to guilt people into aiming to dress down and look ordinary.

If some women make a life as just being a thing of beauty well so what. Good on them. If you've got then work it baby.

Are girls really sexualised any more now than in the past? Or are adults just more sensitive to it.

As I said in another post, a few hundred years ago, girls were dressed to present themselves as virtuous potential mothers and home makers. If that was not sexualising them then what was it?
There is no issue with beauty. What people take issue with are anorexic models, child models dressed up to look like grown women and airbrushing that makes it impossible for the average woman or girl to be. Our society is told what we "should" look like because these are models. We have gotten away from models meaning, "modeling clothes" to "what you should look like", unfortunately. Girls are slicing and dicing themselves up left and right to look like these people without realizing that some of them never eat, are drug addicts, are anorexic, look disgusting without clothes, are airbrushed to death on those magazine covers...

Beauty is not the issue. The lies are the issue.

We are not talking about grown women on this thread, please try to keep up. We are talking about a 10 year old child. A 10. Year Old. Child!

I would certainly hope that no grown man is looking at this child in the same way that he would look at a beautiful GROWN woman.

So, let's try this again since you AGAIN are not grasping what this thread is about:

This is about a 10 year old child looking like a highly paid escort.

That, sir, is NOT real beauty.
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Old 08-10-2011, 11:04 AM
 
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There is no issue with beauty. What people take issue with are anorexic models, child models dressed up to look like grown women and airbrushing that makes it impossible for the average woman or girl to be. Our society is told what we "should" look like because these are models. We have gotten away from models meaning, "modeling clothes" to "what you should look like", unfortunately. Girls are slicing and dicing themselves up left and right to look like these people without realizing that some of them never eat, are drug addicts, are anorexic, look disgusting without clothes, are airbrushed to death on those magazine covers...

Beauty is not the issue. The lies are the issue.

We are not talking about grown women on this thread, please try to keep up. We are talking about a 10 year old child. A 10. Year Old. Child!

I would certainly hope that no grown man is looking at this child in the same way that he would look at a beautiful GROWN woman.

So, let's try this again since you AGAIN are not grasping what this thread is about:

This is about a 10 year old child looking like a highly paid escort.

That, sir, is NOT real beauty.
Yes MA'AM!!
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Old 08-10-2011, 11:16 AM
 
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Three Wolves you have nailed it! Thank you.
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Old 08-10-2011, 12:14 PM
 
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The killer of Courtney Sconce was found with porn magazines in his car. No big deal, right? BUT, over the faces of the models, he had pasted the cut-out faces of CHILDREN in the magazine.

Now, do you get it?

Sick.
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