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Old 03-01-2013, 12:54 PM
 
Location: Liberal Coast
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Sorry to hear that. That is only the latest in a bunch of absurd trendy PC requirements in the curriculum. It is amazing the kids learn anything at all they are so busy being indoctrinated in the latest PC trend.
Have you seen the state of California schools? At most of the schools the kids DON'T learn anything.
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Old 03-01-2013, 02:05 PM
 
Location: Round Rock, Texas
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I would like to see a link about the program that doesn't come from a conservative website. Googling ultimately leads me to such sites. I think politics ("pro left"/"pro right") needs to stay out of the schools. Education should be impartial, objective, and acknowledge every American who has contributed to our great society.
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Old 03-01-2013, 02:13 PM
 
Location: Round Rock, Texas
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Sorry to hear that. That is only the latest in a bunch of absurd trendy PC requirements in the curriculum. It is amazing the kids learn anything at all they are so busy being indoctrinated in the latest PC trend.
What do you term "trendy PC"? The inclusion in the curriculum of people like minorities and gays? What is so wrong about children learning about all types of people, regardless of color, gender or sexual orientation, and their contributions to society?

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Old 03-01-2013, 03:28 PM
 
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I would like to see a link about the program that doesn't come from a conservative website. Googling ultimately leads me to such sites. I think politics ("pro left"/"pro right") needs to stay out of the schools. Education should be impartial, objective, and acknowledge every American who has contributed to our great society.
Can't rep again, but I totally agree.
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Old 03-01-2013, 04:07 PM
 
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I would like to see a link about the program that doesn't come from a conservative website. Googling ultimately leads me to such sites. I think politics ("pro left"/"pro right") needs to stay out of the schools. Education should be impartial, objective, and acknowledge every American who has contributed to our great society.
If you are talking about the original Texas curriculum post, here is a website debunking the story.

WND Pushes Bogus Story on Supposed 'Pro-Islam Bias' in Schools Days after it was Debunked | Right Wing Watch

Btw, there are changes being made to CSCOPE to allow for more transparency

Texas Online Curriculum System CSCOPE to Undergo Changes – IVN

For anyone interested: PDFs of some the disputed lesson plans (these are inactive)

http://www.cscope.us/TheIslamicWorld.pdf

http://www.cscope.us/Terrorism.pdf
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Old 03-01-2013, 04:21 PM
 
Location: Grosse Ile Michigan
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What do you term "trendy PC"? The inclusion in the curriculum of people like minorities and gays? What is so wrong about children learning about all types of people, regardless of color, gender or sexual orientation, and their contributions to society?
Singling out tiny groups for special discussion, reqruing teaching of controversial moral, ethical or religious concepts, thigs like that.

History is history. Joe did X and y and may sue did a and b. Not "Here are all the things Gay people did in Histroy, and over here are all the things black people did in history and here are indians and there hispanics, this chapter will describe all of the historical contributions of known pedophiles, and the next will decribe the historical achievements of people who were into beastiality. . . . or and there were some white heterosexual people too.

Then you ahve the "Native Americans were all good and noble while whites were barbaric cruel and nasty" crowd.

Or what about the Americans stole the Southwest from the mexicans" group (who leave out the fact that Mexicans stole it from the people who were there before, who in turn took it by killing off the people before them).

History should be history not political indoctrination, and not seperated into categories by sexual preferences or ethnic backgrounds.

Thomas Jefferson did waht he did and said what he said and it makes no difference whatsoever whether he was heterosexual, homosexual, or had sex with his cows (and no one really knows anyway).

I want my kids to learn what Lincoln said and stoofd for and how he directed our countrys future. I do no wnat htem to wate time learning and discussing some idiots theory on why he thinks Lincoln could have been gay (notwithstanding his wife and kids).

However if you experience California public schools, you quickly see how it is all about PC indoctrination and very little about learning. You will also quickly see how well that process works (although it appears they did move up from 47th to 43rd in the school rankings.)
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Old 03-01-2013, 04:27 PM
 
Location: Geneva, IL
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singling out tiny groups for special discussion, reqruing teaching of controversial moral, ethical or religious concepts, thigs like that.

History is history. Joe did x and y and may sue did a and b. Not "here are all the things gay people did in histroy, and over here are all the things black people did in history and here are indians and there hispanics, this chapter will describe all of the historical contributions of known pedophiles, and the next will decribe the historical achievements of people who were into beastiality. . . . Or and there were some white heterosexual people too.

Then you ahve the "native americans were all good and noble while whites were barbaric cruel and nasty" crowd.

Or what about the americans stole the southwest from the mexicans" group (who leave out the fact that mexicans stole it from the people who were there before, who in turn took it by killing off the people before them).

History should be history not political indoctrination, and not seperated into categories by sexual preferences or ethnic backgrounds.

Thomas jefferson did waht he did and said what he said and it makes no difference whatsoever whether he was heterosexual, homosexual, or had sex with his cows (and no one really knows anyway).

I want my kids to learn what lincoln said and stoofd for and how he directed our countrys future. I do no wnat htem to wate time learning and discussing some idiots theory on why he thinks lincoln could have been gay (notwithstanding his wife and kids).

However if you experience california public schools, you quickly see how it is all about pc indoctrination and very little about learning. You will also quickly see how well that process works (although it appears they did move up from 47th to 43rd in the school rankings.)
ugh!
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Old 03-01-2013, 07:15 PM
 
Location: Geneva, IL
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Thanks for the anonymous hate rep!
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Old 03-01-2013, 08:34 PM
 
Location: Round Rock, Texas
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Singling out tiny groups for special discussion, reqruing teaching of controversial moral, ethical or religious concepts, thigs like that.

History is history. Joe did X and y and may sue did a and b. Not "Here are all the things Gay people did in Histroy, and over here are all the things black people did in history and here are indians and there hispanics, this chapter will describe all of the historical contributions of known pedophiles, and the next will decribe the historical achievements of people who were into beastiality. . . . or and there were some white heterosexual people too.

Then you ahve the "Native Americans were all good and noble while whites were barbaric cruel and nasty" crowd.

Or what about the Americans stole the Southwest from the mexicans" group (who leave out the fact that Mexicans stole it from the people who were there before, who in turn took it by killing off the people before them).

History should be history not political indoctrination, and not seperated into categories by sexual preferences or ethnic backgrounds.

Thomas Jefferson did waht he did and said what he said and it makes no difference whatsoever whether he was heterosexual, homosexual, or had sex with his cows (and no one really knows anyway).

I want my kids to learn what Lincoln said and stoofd for and how he directed our countrys future. I do no wnat htem to wate time learning and discussing some idiots theory on why he thinks Lincoln could have been gay (notwithstanding his wife and kids).

However if you experience California public schools, you quickly see how it is all about PC indoctrination and very little about learning. You will also quickly see how well that process works (although it appears they did move up from 47th to 43rd in the school rankings.)
I disagree with your post on many levels. I think it is important for my children to learn about the contributions of "tiny groups" such as minorities and gays, as well as White Americans, Native Americans, and whatever American who contributed to help build our country. The world is not monochrome and it would be a disservice to my children for them to view it as such. As for sexual orientation, it's not as if the curriculum would be extolling any sexual lifestyle, be it hetero or homo sexual...it would be focusing on that individual's achievement(s). I don't agree that paying attention to minorities and gay people is being "PC". It's called recognizing everyone, not just glossing over and mentioning a blurb here or there or not at all. My daughter is a minority and a female, and it would be uplifting for her to see that people just like herself made a difference in society. Or better yet, she could one day make a difference.

Teaching children to pay attention to the world around them and see things sans tunnel vision isn't indoctrinating them.

BTW, Texas (where I live, and where my children are being schooled) is a conservative state, so I truly doubt that they would be pushing a truly liberal agenda.

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Old 03-01-2013, 09:13 PM
 
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What do you term "trendy PC"? The inclusion in the curriculum of people like minorities and gays? What is so wrong about children learning about all types of people, regardless of color, gender or sexual orientation, and their contributions to society?
People who made important contributions should be studied because of those contributions. Their sexual orientation is none of my business - except, possibly, if the lesson is about civil rights. A gay inventor or politician does not need to be identified as gay, nor does he need to be pushed into a special chapter. Will the children now be tested on the sexual orientation of historical figures?
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