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I could see where children can be annoying in fine restaurants, but under 18? I could see under 10 maybe, but I would be in favor of a family area of the restaurant instead where families with children (under about 10) could sit. Some kids even younger would be fine outside the family area. The rule card that this restaurant is doing seems good as well. Good thing fine restaurants have more sense than the people of the "opinion that no person under the age of 18 should be allowed in a restaurant that does not have a singing mouse on staff."
I disagree. We insist on good manners and low voices. If there's a "family section" people will decide it's acceptable to let their kids do whatever they want. I don't want to be trapped in there with them just because we have a 5 year old.
What I love here is the parents who agree with this. They say "my children behave". Come on now. We are talking about children. Even the best behaved has their moment. Even the most angelic squeal on occasion. Kids don't regulate their voices well. They all sometimes have a bad moment and don't regulate their emotions well. Babies cry, even if just for a minute.
These are the things the enrage so many. It isn't just a child running around like crazy. Some people are easily annoyed and your child just being in their space pisses them off. This restaurant is catering to those people.
My kids are well behaved in restaurants. But sometimes they bicker with each other for a minute. There as been times they hurt themselves and cried. Gasp, they have even had outbursts. And yes I correct them, leave of we have to. Overall, I have two very well behaved restaurant goers. But I will be damned if I be handed a condescending note card on how to parent.
What I love here is the parents who agree with this. They say "my children behave". Come on now. We are talking about children. Even the best behaved has their moment. Even the most angelic squeal on occasion. Kids don't regulate their voices well. They all sometimes have a bad moment and don't regulate their emotions well. Babies cry, even if just for a minute.
AFAIC a kid will learn NOT to squeal when they understand that doing so IN A RESTAURANT results in the end of the meal. That is one good reason to use cheap places as training grounds. It is standard behavior / natural consequence stuff. And little kids LIKE restaurants. They are motivated to learn.
AFAIC a kid will learn NOT to squeal when they understand that doing so IN A RESTAURANT results in the end of the meal. That is one good reason to use cheap places as training grounds. It is standard behavior / natural consequence stuff. And little kids LIKE restaurants. They are motivated to learn.
But they are learning, not flawless. I've walked out many times. But people still are going to get their panties a bunch over any noise from a child. And we did use family restaurants, like red lobster and Olive Garden, as our training grounds.
But they are learning, not flawless. I've walked out many times. But people still are going to get their panties a bunch over any noise from a child. And we did use family restaurants, like red lobster and Olive Garden, as our training grounds.
As with any lesson, how long it takes someone to learn it is how consistently the consequences are applied. Too often parents think that THEIR right to be there or the fact that they already placed their order and would have to have it wrapped supersedes any such training and consequences. And thus their precious pearls never learned. When my oldest was small, we went to McDonalds cheap. Because investing in the kids' education is more important than the cost of the meal.
As with any lesson, how long it takes someone to learn it is how consistently the consequences are applied. Too often parents think that THEIR right to be there or the fact that they already placed their order and would have to have it wrapped supersedes any such training and consequences. And thus their precious pearls never learned. When my oldest was small, we went to McDonalds cheap. Because investing in the kids' education is more important than the cost of the meal.
You aren't getting my point. No kid is perfect and these people who get all worked up about kids in restaurants are going to get worked up over any tiny thing. Your "perfect" kids included
You aren't getting my point. No kid is perfect and these people who get all worked up about kids in restaurants are going to get worked up over any tiny thing. Your "perfect" kids included
I am getting your point. I actually could not care less about people getting worked up. And I disagree with your point that I got perfectly well that kids should be allowed to vocalize at different levels and that despite that they are somehow going to learn to do differently.
The scene is pretty straight forward. Hey guys, want to go to restaurant X? Yah they have that mac n cheese you wanted. But you understand that we can't be disruptive to others with loud noises, right? Once in the restaurant, they lose their cute little minds and make a rukus. Oh oh, I guess we're not ready for restaurant X yet. Want to try again in a couple of weeks? Ok maybe we will be ready then.
But they are learning, not flawless. I've walked out many times. But people still are going to get their panties a bunch over any noise from a child. And we did use family restaurants, like red lobster and Olive Garden, as our training grounds.
Those are not family restaurants. Yes, children are allowed, but the cost of the meal is pretty high to have to endure a parent's little training session.
Those are not family restaurants. Yes, children are allowed, but the cost of the meal is pretty high to have to endure a parent's little training session.
Maybe it's worth it to stop and think that we don't all have the same standards and give eachother a little grace....both by controlling our children but also being understanding of those who are struggling with it.
And come on, people in red lobster eat with their hands?!
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