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Old 07-26-2017, 07:33 AM
 
Location: No Mask For Me This Time, Either
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If 500 people sacrificing their pb&j saves 1 life, it's worth it, don't you think?

Just a different perspective, you are complaining about having to accommodate someone who could literally die , but calling them selfish. From where I sit, it isn't the allergic one who is selfish.
Tailcoating onto another post, by your logic if 321,370,00 people would sacrifice driving so fast so that 35,092 people would not be killed in traffic-related accidents, it's worth it, don't *you* think?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...n_U.S._by_year

Let us know how that idea is accepted...
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Old 07-26-2017, 07:34 AM
 
Location: E ND & NW MN
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Our now 12 yr old son is allergic to peanuts, tree nuts, milk and eggs...and has been since birth. His first exposure to a milk product was when we feed him mac and cheese around 10 months and he got the hives all over his body. We went in to the doctor for the testing and eventually went to the allergy clinic in La Crosse WI when he was around 1 1/2 for a complete allergen workup. He has been taking allergy drops ever since, 3 x a day, and we visit the clinic once per year. His immunity is increasing and he is close to being ready for some food challenges. One thing we realized is that each kid/adult with a food allergy is very different from each other....have the person's bloodwork done for allergens once per year is crucial. He is entering grade 7 and his immunity is high enough so that his doctor in LaCrosse believes he could handle an accidental peanut ingestion without reaction. In the earlier grades, his rooms were peanut and dairy free and his lunch table where he sat was peanut free as well.
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Old 07-26-2017, 07:41 AM
 
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Tailcoating onto another post, by your logic if 321,370,00 people would sacrifice driving so fast so that 35,092 people would not be killed in traffic-related accidents, it's worth it, don't *you* think?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...n_U.S._by_year

Let us know how that idea is accepted...
But driving so fast is not allowed. Peanuts are. It would be the same thing if people were saying, "Well, I want to drive fast, it's my right. So there should be no rules against it. If you don't like it, don't drive."

Driving too fast is against the law because it endangers other people. Peanuts should not be allowed in school for the same reason.
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Old 07-26-2017, 07:43 AM
 
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There's no way school aged kids go nowhere besides school. You are being silly now. Bottom line is banning peanuts from school does create a false sense of security

But hell some schools have banned the pledge of allegiance so why wouldn't they ban peanuts
The difference is that ALL kids are entitled by the constitution to a free education. Pretty sure there's no mention of shopping malls or restaurants in the constitution.
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Old 07-26-2017, 07:47 AM
 
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The difference is that ALL kids are entitled by the constitution to a free education. Pretty sure there's no mention of shopping malls or restaurants in the constitution.
Would you support school bans on perfume, hairspray, fresh flowers as well as bans on outdoor activities in warm weather to help protect children from their allergens as well? Why or why not?
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Old 07-26-2017, 08:00 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Bans on perfume, sure. If hairspray made a child react, then that would be a reasonable ban in his classroom. Outdoor activities for kids who are allergic to... the outdoors (?), I guess so. Not all kids would have to stay in, because if they go outdoors, it does not affect the allergic child. Most kids with pollen allergies take medication to manage the allergy, because there is generally no choice but to go outdoors. How did they make it into the school? And air from outside comes in the doors and windows.

I'm not sure why you don't understand that a fatal peanut allergy is different from snifflibgcand sneezing from pollen. In fact, I'm pretty sure you do understand and are just being willfully obtuse.
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Old 07-26-2017, 08:09 AM
 
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Bans on perfume, sure. If hairspray made a child react, then that would be a reasonable ban in his classroom. Outdoor activities for kids who are allergic to... the outdoors (?), I guess so. Not all kids would have to stay in, because if they go outdoors, it does not affect the allergic child. Most kids with pollen allergies take medication to manage the allergy, because there is generally no choice but to go outdoors. How did they make it into the school? And air from outside comes in the doors and windows.

I'm not sure why you don't understand that a fatal peanut allergy is different from snifflibgcand sneezing from pollen. In fact, I'm pretty sure you do understand and are just being willfully obtuse.
Hairspray, perfume, grass, pollen, bees etc are very common allergens. Why should the allergic child have to feel left out when his classmates go outdoors? Many kids with severe allergies to the aforementioned still react to said allergens even with daily medicine and weekly shots.

I'm not sure why you don't understand that having the aforementioned allergies is more than just a sneeze here or there. It can severely impact the quality of education the child receives. It is not I who is being willfully obtuse. The question has been asked numerous times and all I get back is, "But DEATH." No, there are other things in life to take into consideration and other ways education can be impacted outside of DEATH. I'll also reiterate the fact that 13 people died in the US in a span of 10 years from peanut allergies according to the CDC. So, yes, while deadly allergies to peanuts exist, they are far from the norm. Lets have an intellectually honest conversation here, shall we?
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Old 07-26-2017, 08:12 AM
 
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Would you support school bans on perfume, hairspray, fresh flowers as well as bans on outdoor activities in warm weather to help protect children from their allergens as well? Why or why not?
No. Because as it has already been mentioned, kids with allergies to these things are not at risk of dyng if they come in contact with them. Not the case with a lot of kids and nuts.

BTW, I myself have horrible chemical sensitivities due to a chronic health issue. It's bad enough that I have to carry my own soap around to use in pubic bathrooms. But if I use regular soap, I will not die. My hands will just get red and itchy. It can also be somewhat managed with antihistamines, just as my seasonal pollen allergies are.
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Old 07-26-2017, 08:17 AM
 
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No. Because as it has already been mentioned, kids with allergies to these things are not at risk of dyng if they come in contact with them. Not the case with a lot of kids and nuts.

BTW, I myself have horrible chemical sensitivities due to a chronic health issue. It's bad enough that I have to carry my own soap around to use in pubic bathrooms. But if I use regular soap, I will not die. My hands will just get red and itchy. It can also be somewhat managed with antihistamines, just as my seasonal pollen allergies are.
Why is death the only measure of protecting children and ensuring a quality education for them? I've explained numerous times how and why other allergies - while not deadly - could and do seriously impede education. Why is this continually ignored?
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Old 07-26-2017, 08:17 AM
 
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Hairspray, perfume, grass, pollen, bees etc are very common allergens. Why should the allergic child have to feel left out when his classmates go outdoors? Many kids with severe allergies to the aforementioned still react to said allergens even with daily medicine and weekly shots.

I'm not sure why you don't understand that having the aforementioned allergies is more than just a sneeze here or there. It can severely impact the quality of education the child receives. It is not I who is being willfully obtuse. The question has been asked numerous times and all I get back is, "But DEATH." No, there are other things in life to take into consideration and other ways education can be impacted outside of DEATH. I'll also reiterate the fact that 13 people died in the US in a span of 10 years from peanut allergies according to the CDC. So, yes, while deadly allergies to peanuts exist, they are far from the norm. Lets have an intellectually honest conversation here, shall we?
There are only 13 REPORTED cases. The reason for that is because no one is required to report allergy deaths. The actual number is probably closer to 150-200 a year in the US.
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