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Old 02-13-2019, 03:55 PM
 
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I know. And I agree. I'm not explaining my point very well. The majority of concerns revolve around autism. The article seems to be focusing on the autism angle. The autism angle involves the MMR vaccine and the vaccine schedule.


ONE of the boys given as an example, has already gone through his MMR shots, and presumably doesn't have autism. So, THAT'S basically a non-issue. The only vaccine I'd recommend he really SHOULD have, at this point, would be a chicken pox vaccine, (which is not associated with autism) if he hasn't had chickenpox before. He would probably be 18 by the time he needs his meningitis shot (not associated with autism)...and doesn't REALLY need a tetanus booster, unless he plans to travel out of the country.(Also not associated with autism) HE probably shouldn't be used as an example, and ISN'T in dire need of the gov. coming in and mandating vaccines over his parents wishes.


Sooo...are we talking about ALL vaccines a 15 yr. old thinks he needs, and his wishes circumvent his parents? OR, should we be VERY specific, regarding ONE particular type of vaccine? Because...I could get behind mandating MMR vaccines. (But I could also get behind the idea of spreading out the MMR vaccines, and maybe not piling on multiple vaccines at a time on little ones).


I just think we need to be really careful and VERY SPECIFIC when it comes to telling parents they don't get to raise their kids the way they want to. I'm not saying it's not needful...but it probably shouldn't be so far-reaching.

 
Old 02-13-2019, 04:11 PM
 
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Two anonymous posters on reddit? #fakenews
 
Old 02-13-2019, 04:27 PM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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Originally Posted by MissTerri View Post
Two anonymous posters on reddit? #fakenews
That may not be a reliable source, but there's this:
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...es/2845159002/

This:
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...es/2845159002/

This:
https://komonews.com/news/nation-wor...ing-vaccinated

More:
https://www.10news.com/lifestyle/hea...parents-wishes
https://www.thedenverchannel.com/lif...parents-wishes
https://www.11alive.com/article/news...b-ef87044a00e5
https://foxbaltimore.com/news/nation...ing-vaccinated
https://abcnews.go.com/WNN/video/tee...ishes-61013722
https://www.washingtonpost.com/
https://klewtv.com/news/nation-world...ing-vaccinated
https://nbc24.com/news/nation-world/...ing-vaccinated
https://siouxlandnews.com/news/natio...ing-vaccinated
https://kfdm.com/news/nation-world/o...ing-vaccinated
https://fox45now.com/news/local/ohio...ing-vaccinated
https://news4sanantonio.com/news/nat...ing-vaccinated
https://kutv.com/news/nation-world/o...ing-vaccinated
https://abc3340.com/news/nation-worl...ing-vaccinated
https://nbcmontana.com/news/nation-w...ing-vaccinated
https://wach.com/news/nation-world/o...ing-vaccinated
https://www.msn.com/en-ca/entertainm...hes/vi-BBTtUhY
https://wlos.com/news/nation-world/o...ing-vaccinated
https://kcby.com/news/nation-world/o...ing-vaccinated
https://turnto10.com/news/nation-wor...ing-vaccinated

There's a lot more but I'm getting tired of copying all these links.
 
Old 02-13-2019, 04:42 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Sassybluesy View Post
I know. And I agree. I'm not explaining my point very well. The majority of concerns revolve around autism. The article seems to be focusing on the autism angle. The autism angle involves the MMR vaccine and the vaccine schedule.


ONE of the boys given as an example, has already gone through his MMR shots, and presumably doesn't have autism. So, THAT'S basically a non-issue. The only vaccine I'd recommend he really SHOULD have, at this point, would be a chicken pox vaccine, (which is not associated with autism) if he hasn't had chickenpox before. He would probably be 18 by the time he needs his meningitis shot (not associated with autism)...and doesn't REALLY need a tetanus booster, unless he plans to travel out of the country.(Also not associated with autism) HE probably shouldn't be used as an example, and ISN'T in dire need of the gov. coming in and mandating vaccines over his parents wishes.


Sooo...are we talking about ALL vaccines a 15 yr. old thinks he needs, and his wishes circumvent his parents? OR, should we be VERY specific, regarding ONE particular type of vaccine? Because...I could get behind mandating MMR vaccines. (But I could also get behind the idea of spreading out the MMR vaccines, and maybe not piling on multiple vaccines at a time on little ones).


I just think we need to be really careful and VERY SPECIFIC when it comes to telling parents they don't get to raise their kids the way they want to. I'm not saying it's not needful...but it probably shouldn't be so far-reaching.

My son got his first meningitis vaccination 4 weeks ago at his 11 year check. It's required here for middle school.
 
Old 02-13-2019, 08:43 PM
 
Location: Honolulu, HI
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One of the biggest reasons life is not fair is that we can't choose our parents, this is another sad example.

All we can do is hope that anti-vaxing becomes outlawed and the parents see jail time.
 
Old 02-13-2019, 09:30 PM
 
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On the topic of anti-vaxxers and other forms of pseudo-medicine, the website Science-Based Medicine is required reading: https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/

It was founded by Steven Novella, a clinical neurologist at the Yale University of Medicine. It covers many other additional topics in the medical field -- just search by topic. Many other physicians (M.D.) contribute to the site.

Back on point, Dr. Novella just (2/13/19) published an article entitled "The Myth of Vaccine Shedding": https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/the...cine-shedding/
 
Old 02-13-2019, 10:33 PM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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My son got his first meningitis vaccination 4 weeks ago at his 11 year check. It's required here for middle school.
Unless you live in CA, Mississippi or West Virginia, you can get a non-medical exemption.
 
Old 02-13-2019, 10:41 PM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
90,297 posts, read 120,913,054 times
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Originally Posted by Katarina Witt View Post
That may not be a reliable source, but there's this:
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...es/2845159002/

This:
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...es/2845159002/

This:
https://komonews.com/news/nation-wor...ing-vaccinated

More:
https://www.10news.com/lifestyle/hea...parents-wishes
https://www.thedenverchannel.com/lif...parents-wishes
https://www.11alive.com/article/news...b-ef87044a00e5
https://foxbaltimore.com/news/nation...ing-vaccinated
https://abcnews.go.com/WNN/video/tee...ishes-61013722
https://www.washingtonpost.com/
https://klewtv.com/news/nation-world...ing-vaccinated
https://nbc24.com/news/nation-world/...ing-vaccinated
https://siouxlandnews.com/news/natio...ing-vaccinated
https://kfdm.com/news/nation-world/o...ing-vaccinated
https://fox45now.com/news/local/ohio...ing-vaccinated
https://news4sanantonio.com/news/nat...ing-vaccinated
https://kutv.com/news/nation-world/o...ing-vaccinated
https://abc3340.com/news/nation-worl...ing-vaccinated
https://nbcmontana.com/news/nation-w...ing-vaccinated
https://wach.com/news/nation-world/o...ing-vaccinated
https://www.msn.com/en-ca/entertainm...hes/vi-BBTtUhY
https://wlos.com/news/nation-world/o...ing-vaccinated
https://kcby.com/news/nation-world/o...ing-vaccinated
https://turnto10.com/news/nation-wor...ing-vaccinated

There's a lot more but I'm getting tired of copying all these links.
Here's another one: https://thehill.com/policy/healthcar...asles-outbreak
 
Old 02-14-2019, 12:18 AM
 
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Originally Posted by redguitar77111 View Post
The law should allow kids who want vaccines to get them without parental permission. The right to defend one's body should come before the opinion of someone who happens to share your DNA.
Or at the very least, the age should be lowed. You shouldn't have to wait until you are 18 to make your own medical decisions.
 
Old 02-14-2019, 12:24 AM
 
Location: Eugene, Oregon
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Originally Posted by redguitar77111 View Post
The law should allow kids who want vaccines to get them without parental permission. The right to defend one's body should come before the opinion of someone who happens to share your DNA.

One of the best changes in public health policy, was in allowing underage girls to have access to various birth-control methods, without the knowledge of their parents. The concept behind this, is that young people have the right to decide their own destiny and are not to be considered as the property of their parents. Not to be managed as though they were pets or livestock.
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