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Old 02-03-2017, 11:19 AM
 
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House Republicans Vote to End Rule Stopping Coal Mining Debris From Being Dumped in Streams

Just wondering what people think about the act.

Planet Money Podcast about a 3rd or 4th generation coal miner who really pushed for the act, since his family home and their health was ruined by coal dust.
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Old 02-03-2017, 11:51 AM
 
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Gee, what could possibly be wrong with that?!
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Old 02-03-2017, 11:53 AM
 
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Just what Americans need, coal-infused water.
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Old 02-03-2017, 01:07 PM
 
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This rule went into affect the day before Obama left office. States will already have their own rules and regulations for this and they are better prepared to create ones relevant to their state instead of a one size fits all rule from the feds.
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Old 02-03-2017, 01:09 PM
 
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Just what Americans need, coal-infused water.
https://www.google.com/search?q=anth...utf-8&oe=utf-8
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Old 02-03-2017, 01:11 PM
 
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Gee, what could possibly be wrong with that?!
Nothing because this has only been in existence for about a week.
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Old 02-03-2017, 01:27 PM
 
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Nothing because this has only been in existence for about a week.
So your argument is that because this is a new rule, and hasn't been able to actually be put into effect

than it won't change anything? I beg to differ. According to the link below this acts purpose was to
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designed to protect streams from mining pollution. Pollution created by mountaintop removal mining and surface coal mining has devastated thriving natural ecosystems and entire communities across Central Appalachia. This rule will build on existing regulations, initiated by the Reagan Administration, by improving baseline data collection, monitoring and bonding requirements and requiring restoration of stream functions.
https://www.npca.org/articles/1431-s...nal-park-water
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Old 02-03-2017, 01:36 PM
 
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So your argument is that because this is a new rule, and hasn't been able to actually be put into effect

than it won't change anything? I beg to differ. According to the link below this acts purpose was to

https://www.npca.org/articles/1431-s...nal-park-water
My argument is that the state of Pennsylvania and the Federal government already has reasonable rules and regulations for this.

This rule was yet another one size fits all regulation taking it to the extreme with intention of making impossible to do business.
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Old 02-03-2017, 02:03 PM
 
Location: Shawnee-on-Delaware, PA
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Just wondering what people think about the act.

This is an old trick. Call something the "Puppies and Kittens Act" and then if anyone says they're against it, they can reasonably be accused of hating puppies and kittens. In this case it's "clean water". (Both sides do it).

The Republican measure "scuttles a regulation aimed at preventing coal mining debris from being dumped into nearby streams." So, according to Time magazine the regulation was "aimed at" preventing coal mining debris being dumped, but what did it really do? Did it require a bunch of redundant paperwork being submitted? The article is very short on details, but they want the reader to come away thinking coal companies are now free to dump coal in streams. That's dishonest.


But I will ask this: If the regulation was so great, why did it take until the Obama administration to enact it? Was our water poisoned and full of coal prior to 2010 or whatever year it was enacted?
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Old 02-03-2017, 04:08 PM
 
Location: Berwick, Penna.
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Acidic mine drainage is probably a far bigger threat to streams than "waste coal", and here in Northeastern Pennsylvania, the problem increased after the Knox mine disaster of 1961 effectively shut down all remaining deep mining in the Anthracite Region. An "unexplained" increase in river acidity inn the summer of 1963 killed almost all fish in the North Branch south of Pittston, and it was to be many years before normal conditions were restored. Several tributaries, such as Nescopeck Creek, still can't sustain fish life.
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