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Old 10-26-2020, 05:32 AM
 
Location: Marshall-Shadeland, Pittsburgh, PA
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I think it's probably overstated how many people will use secondary roads to avoid tolling. Some locals might do that but the vast majority of drivers, especially truckers, are on a time crunch and won't bother.

You can also strategically place tolling booths to avoid that or place them on exit ramps.
We recently drove from the Scranton area back to Pittsburgh via the back roads. Extremely scenic. Also much, much longer. Instead of our usual 4.5 hours? It took almost 7 hours. We took U.S. Route 11 south from Luzerne County through Columbia County, Montour County, Northumberland County, and down into Union and Snyder Counties. We then took another road west (I believe U.S. 522) from Selinsgrove up and over the mountains to Lewistown. We then caught U.S. 22 West back to Pittsburgh via Hollidaysburg and the Laurel Highlands.

If I was in a time crunch and/or a truck driver? No way in heck would I be trying to detour around I-80 to avoid paying tolls.
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Old 10-26-2020, 06:30 AM
 
Location: Shawnee-on-Delaware, PA
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If I was in a time crunch and/or a truck driver? No way in heck would I be trying to detour around I-80 to avoid paying tolls.
Of course you'd pay whatever you have to, if you have to.

But it's clear that road toll pricing can be designed to influence people's behavior. I'm sure you have heard of Congestion Pricing as used in NYC and other large metro areas. It forces people to make an economic decision that effects the timing of driving in the city, or whether in fact to just take mass transit.
https://ops.fhwa.dot.gov/congestionp...c%20congestion.

Locals have legitimate concerns that drivers from the interstate will clog their local roads after deciding to avoid tolls.

Now, it's realistic to suppose that some sort of nationwide tolling system will replace gasoline tax eventually. I'm personally eyeing up a Tesla for my next vehicle. But without buying gasoline, how do I pay for my use of the roads? The future has to hold an electronic answer, not a last-century toll booth answer.
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Old 10-27-2020, 07:01 AM
 
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We recently moved out of Cumberland County and I hope to never again have to drive on I-81.
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Old 10-28-2020, 04:37 PM
 
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Of course you'd pay whatever you have to, if you have to.

But it's clear that road toll pricing can be designed to influence people's behavior. I'm sure you have heard of Congestion Pricing as used in NYC and other large metro areas. It forces people to make an economic decision that effects the timing of driving in the city, or whether in fact to just take mass transit.
https://ops.fhwa.dot.gov/congestionp...c%20congestion.

Locals have legitimate concerns that drivers from the interstate will clog their local roads after deciding to avoid tolls.

Now, it's realistic to suppose that some sort of nationwide tolling system will replace gasoline tax eventually. I'm personally eyeing up a Tesla for my next vehicle. But without buying gasoline, how do I pay for my use of the roads? The future has to hold an electronic answer, not a last-century toll booth answer.
Do you really think these states and companies are oblivious to electric car technology and electric usage in general?

There are many ways they can, especially as the tech advances every year. Some countries that have pushed electric cars more than the US have resorted to closely examining which citizens have electric cars and tax accordingly to that usage alone. If you are truly worried about not having the civic right to pay your fair share in taxes because of your Tesla then I can assure you right now you don't have to be as everyone is going to get their cut from you one way or the other lol.
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