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Old 12-16-2014, 01:48 PM
 
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if you open a small business, you are working.
Not to mention, I'm not sure $200k would be enough for all that. Either that's a very small house or that business has no start up capital at all.

As for my number, with a paid off house I'd assume about $2M if it were in a Roth.

Assuming 5% return, that'll come to $100k a year. I think I could live pretty comfortably on that without having to draw down on the principal considering that's about what I make now, but it wouldn't be taxed. I also plan on having kids in the future, so I'm sure the difference vs my current lifestyle would get sucked up by that.

I'm only 30, so I don't think I'd have to worry too much about major medical expenses(the biggest part of the typical retirement budget) until about the time I qualify other government programs.
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Old 12-16-2014, 01:55 PM
 
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what's up thinking-man, I'll participate to this thread of yours.

Age: 32
Retirement Age: (None).

I will not retire, I will continue to work. I will start my own business and continue to work 'til my body doesn't allow me to.

It takes a lot to be retired at certain age because I have responsibilities such as raising kids. By the time they are 18 is probably I will be between 55-60. Raising kids are very expensive, I give at least 200K per child (give or take). I'll still have to work 'til they are done with college as well so really I'll never retire .

But if I ever retired, my bankroll would need to be at least $2mil pre-tax in order for me to be happy and enjoy the rest of my years.
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Old 12-16-2014, 02:46 PM
 
Location: California side of the Sierras
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Not to mention, I'm not sure $200k would be enough for all that. Either that's a very small house or that business has no start up capital at all.

As for my number, with a paid off house I'd assume about $2M if it were in a Roth.

Assuming 5% return, that'll come to $100k a year. I think I could live pretty comfortably on that without having to draw down on the principal considering that's about what I make now, but it wouldn't be taxed. I also plan on having kids in the future, so I'm sure the difference vs my current lifestyle would get sucked up by that.

I'm only 30, so I don't think I'd have to worry too much about major medical expenses(the biggest part of the typical retirement budget) until about the time I qualify other government programs.
No, but you'd pay penalties after you had withdrawn all of your contributions, until you reach 59.5.
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Old 12-16-2014, 02:52 PM
 
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No, but you'd pay penalties after you had withdrawn all of your contributions, until you reach 59.5.
Can you not do a 72(t) exception on a Roth?
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Old 12-16-2014, 02:55 PM
 
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No, but you'd pay penalties after you had withdrawn all of your contributions, until you reach 59.5.
True, but if I had managed to get to $2.5M in 7 years, I'm sure there'd be plenty of contributions to get me through the 30 until tax free with drawls. Probably only the last few years would be taxed.

If I found myself getting close, I'd probably actually consider a reverse mortgage/home equity loan if necessary. That would be cheaper than the penalties and I could just tap the Roth to pay it off once I hit 59.5(since I'm assuming I have no other income in this scenario).
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Old 12-16-2014, 02:58 PM
 
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Can you not do a 72(t) exception on a Roth?
You can.
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Old 12-16-2014, 02:59 PM
 
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True, but if I had managed to get to $2.5M in 7 years, I'm sure there'd be plenty of contributions to get me through the 30 until tax free with drawls. Probably only the last few years would be taxed.

If I found myself getting close, I'd probably actually consider a reverse mortgage/home equity loan if necessary. That would be cheaper than the penalties and I could just tap the Roth to pay it off once I hit 59.5(since I'm assuming I have no other income in this scenario).
You can't get a reverse mortgage before 62 and you can't get a home loan/HELOC without income from most lenders.

You could just pull out principal until you got near the threshold and then do a 72(t).
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Old 12-16-2014, 03:01 PM
 
Location: California side of the Sierras
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True, but if I had managed to get to $2.5M in 7 years, I'm sure there'd be plenty of contributions to get me through the 30 until tax free with drawls. Probably only the last few years would be taxed.

If I found myself getting close, I'd probably actually consider a reverse mortgage/home equity loan if necessary. That would be cheaper than the penalties and I could just tap the Roth to pay it off once I hit 59.5(since I'm assuming I have no other income in this scenario).
You'd have to live a long, long time to have contributed 2.5M.


I know it's just for giggles, feel free to ignore my comments.
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Old 12-16-2014, 03:02 PM
 
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You can't get a reverse mortgage before 62 and you can't get a home loan/HELOC without income from most lenders.

You could just pull out principal until you got near the threshold and then do a 72(t).
Never knew about that restriction. Then again, I've never really had a reason to look in depth at a reverse mortgage.
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Old 12-16-2014, 03:24 PM
 
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if you open a small business, you are working.
Not if I pay others to run it for me including a bookkeeper to do all the banking, bookwork, etc.
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