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And this isn’t his only table..... he has 3 other tables and average turn around time per table is 1.5 to 2 hours. We’re talking $50 to $60 an hour at the low end if he had 4 tables like the couple in scenario 1.
Thoughts?
Please realize the waiter is not going to keep that $50 - $60 an hour. He’s going to be paying a share to the bus boy, hostess, etc.
I'm sorry if I offended you. That was not my intent. I have only been responding in context of the topic from the original thread. That's how forums like this work.
The norm is to tip 20% on the total bill. The original question: "Does the waiter in scenario 2 really deserve almost another 100, from ONE table, for walking to pick up two bottles of wine?"
Yes, the waiter does deserve it. That's the social norm in tipping in the US. If you don't like it, don't eat out, or don't order $250 bottles of wine. Breaking social norms because what you'd pay under them is "too much" IS being cheap, to me.
We clearly don't see eye to eye, so we can agree to disagree on this. All the best.
I definitely don't agree the norm is 20%, and I certainly don't agree it includes expensive beverages. It really shouldn't even include the tax on the meal.
A lot of people have said they stopped dining out because the new tipping standard is now 20%. We don't dine out much either, anymore. Servers don't make much money when it's a slow night at the restaurant.
I think restaurant managers could afford to pay their servers more money, instead, they pass on the cost to the customer.
That's like double our annual spending on the category, in the real world most people don't spend anywhere near that kind of money on eating a meal out.
You only spend 75.00 a year eating out? Damn. I’m wasteful with it to an extreme but are even more extreme on the other end
We eat dinner out every week ..... usually my days in the studio my wife comes so the groupies don’t get me so we will go somewhere to eat out at least once a week ... typical dinner , nothing fancy runs about 70 with a tip.. maybe once every few months we will do a level up in the 100 dollar range ..... twice a year we will do a steak house and those are pricey
i agree that it seems improper for tip to be purely based on price of the products purchased in many scenarios. so yeah, why should someone get more money for giving you a more expensive bottle of wine if the work they performed is exactly the same? makes sense. sure, we can shut down the discussion with "if you can afford the wine, pay the extra for the tip" but just as a discussion i think its a legitimate issue.
in practice, i just typically give the 20% tip, i dont adjust it just because i dont really think its appropriate.
my issue that im encountering regularly now is the tip request for counter service. i got to panera and a mexican place regularly now and they have ask if i want to tip. while i like to tip well, im not comfortable with the change of a situation where you werent expected to tip at all to now im expected to tip. i dont really think any restaurant should include tipping, they should be responsible for the compensation for their employees and include it in the price i pay for the food.
the more i think about it, the more silly these points seem to be. since when do we base what we pay for things on what we can afford? "oh you bought something expensive so clearly you can afford more money for the poor struggling server." while it may be true, i dont think its really relevant, people generally get paid based on the work they did and not what the customer can or cant afford.
the other point doesnt seem relevant because the person could spend $25 and take a table for 3 hours the same as someone spending $150 for a bottle and sitting 3 hours.
im not entirely sure what the best solution is other than to eliminate tipping and make the employer pay their employees wages.
Silly indeed
I don’t care who you are, tipping 20% on $800 bottles of wine or $250 bottles of wine Is absurd
Someone who is "more of a 15% tipper" has never ordered a $250 bottle of wine. The entire discussion is an exercise to gain support or to justify the 15% tip.
Wrong again
The specifics of wine bottles ordered were discussed in the article I read
oh look at you, trying to say "oh im just talking about the scenario in the original post. That guy is cheap. You are changing the discussion."
well, no. The guy used the same 20% tip in the original scenario, how is he cheap. The original post asked this question:
"does the waiter in scenario 2 really deserve almost another 100, from one table, for walking to pick up two bottles of wine? What if the wine bottles were $800 each??"
so this discussion that i am taking part of is addressing that question.
Im the one who is being relevant, you arent. You just want to play mr self righteous and call other people cheap.
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