and i am telling you for decades we pay the cards right after we charge with no effect .. both scores are in the 800's ... fico has 55 different fico scores that weight different things ..the consumer score you see is very different from the industry tailored scores used . many scores give you no extra points for carrying a balance.
"Is it Better to Have Zero Balance at Month's End or All the Time?
From a credit building standpoint, you’re better off making purchases with a credit card and paying for them in full by the due date than you are not using the card at all. While refraining from tapping into a card’s credit line does illustrate a certain measure of financial self-control, it doesn’t necessarily indicate that you’ll be able to pay back loans and lines of credit according to the terms of your agreements should you ever need to leverage debt. Making purchases with a credit card and proving yourself capable of paying the right amount at the proper time at least gives financial institutions a track record of credit utilization and payment on which to base their estimates for future performance.
payment history and on time payments reflects usage , and credit utilization , whether you have a balance or not .
https://wallethub.com/edu/cs/credit-...balance/25555/
what counts the most ? not a revolving balance ...
1. Payment history
The record of loans or credit lent and how quickly the loan is paid off comprise about 35% of a FICO score. Late payments always cause a FICO score to go down. The longer it takes to make a payment, the bigger the impact on the score. Accounts that are submitted to a credit agency or a filing for bankruptcy also significantly affect a credit score.
2. Credit age
The length of time a person has had credit and the general age of each credit issuance account for about 15% of a FICO score.
3. Debt relative to credit available
The amount of available credit that a person uses makes up about 30% of the FICO score. Just because a person has credit available to them doesn’t mean it should all be used. Using less credit more often and repaying it quickly is a good way to boost your FICO score.
4 Having multiple lines of credit
Having more than one line of credit that is consistently paid off is good. Keep in mind that having different types of credit – revolving credit such as a credit card and installment loans such as a mortgage or car loan – helps boost credit scores.