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People are turned down at rescues/shelters all the time. Sometimes, it's just that there have been a lot of applications for a particular dog. Nonetheless, there are a lot of legitimate breeders in California, and your sister-in-law wouldn't have a problem finding one.
Again, there is a difference between legitimate breeders and puppy mills.
We manage just fine in Oregon without pet stores that feed the puppy mill pipeline.
I called my SIL. It turns out they were rejected for one particular dog so my post above was wrong. However, I am concerned about the likelihood of regulation and politicization.
There is a podcast about this now- Puppy Kingpin. It is pretty interesting. I guess even though some cities outlawed sales of anything but rescues from stores, the mills ended up laundering puppies through “rescue” organizations that would then go on to sell the puppy mill puppies at prices they were charging before, instead of a price you’d expect at a rescue. There are some rescue organizations that occasionally sell a purebred puppy at a higher price than average, but they typically don’t sell ONLY those dogs.
Haven't seen the podcast, because right now, I just can't with any more sad stuff, but I've heard about it.
Even some of the puppy mills still operating legally are using rescue language in their marketing.
I called my SIL. It turns out they were rejected for one particular dog so my post above was wrong. However, I am concerned about the likelihood of regulation and politicization.
I don't care. If nationwide regulation is what it takes to kill the puppy mill industry, so be it. Not sure what you're so afraid of, but like I said before, you can rest assured that those of living in states where puppy mills and pet stores have been regulated out of existence nonetheless manage to have pets. Do you even know the first thing about how these businesses operate? Didn't think so.
People are turned down at rescues/shelters all the time. Sometimes, it's just that there have been a lot of applications for a particular dog. Nonetheless, there are a lot of legitimate breeders in California, and your sister-in-law shouldn't have a problem finding the right one. There's no guarantee that a pet store would have had the dog she wanted, either. These are living creatures; not something you should just be able to go pick up at the local mall.
I applied for a certain dog at the local shelter; someone else was first or whatever, because I didn't get the dog. That's how life works sometimes; not everything is some big conspiracy.
We manage just fine in Oregon without pet stores that feed the puppy mill pipeline. I didn't notice any "bureaucratic nightmares!" when I got my last dog. People need to stop scaremongering about things they're ignorant about and stop acting like every single thing bit of humane legislation is designed to "take away their freedom!"
Bingo. Pretty sure Met still has me on ignore (over a stupid misunderstanding), but I 100% agree with everything they’ve said here. Same goes for California - we’ve managed just fine for 25+ years since these regulations were enacted, and if you want a dog you can still easily find one. As I said above.
Even if you - for whatever reason - specifically want a poorly-bred puppy mill puppy or “thing-a-doodle,” Craigslist or sites like Puppyfinder will get you one.
"Should We Stop Keeping Pets...? No, that's ridiculous. The only issue I have with pet ownership is castrating males. If you really want to reduce the population just give all vasectomies. This way feral males will still be strong enough to keep their territory but just won't reproduce. I realize they're just animals but I think castration is very cruel.
I don't care. If nationwide regulation is what it takes to kill the puppy mill industry, so be it. Not sure what you're so afraid of, but like I said before, you can rest assured that those of living in states where puppy mills and pet stores have been regulated out of existence nonetheless manage to have pets. Do you even know the first thing about how these businesses operate? Didn't think so.
Right- there are lots of reasons people can legitimately be rejected for adoption. The dog won’t do well with kids, other pets, or someone who has to be out of the home a lot; or the pet may do better with another pet, kids, etc. I’ve lived in multiple apartment complexes where renters have gotten puppies and immediately started leaving them home for long periods. I had one who would leave the pup in a crate overnight for at least 12 hours, which was so cruel. I don’t know why a rescue organization or breeder should be compelled to adopt to people like that- that’s not a good environment for a puppy.
"Should We Stop Keeping Pets...? No, that's ridiculous. The only issue I have with pet ownership is castrating males. If you really want to reduce the population just give all vasectomies. This way feral males will still be strong enough to keep their territory but just won't reproduce. I realize they're just animals but I think castration is very cruel.
"Feral males" defending their territory? Where is this happening???
We seem to now be discussing adopting versus buying pets, but - on that note - shelters and rescues would do well to both reduce their prices and loosen their restrictions (I know several that won't adopt out to any owner without a fenced back yard) if they hope to compete with or dissuade the general public from using breeders.
.......... Sorry, but I like the free market, .......
I'm a big fan of the free market. Let it roll. But I have no objection for laws that try to stop animal abuse or child abuse.
The puppy mills practice the worse kind of animal abuse and I have no objection to putting them out of business, or else making them clean up their act. Cutting off their sales in pet stores is an attempt to stop their horrid inhumane abuse of animals, although, probably it doesn't do much since they can now sell online.
Pet stores do just fine selling pet supplies, dog food, and toys. They don't really need to support a horrible industry in order to stay in business.
Rescues and shelters spend a lot of money getting a animal ready for a new home such as spaying/neutering, etc. Rescues typically fix any medical issues and do dentals on small dogs. They spend more than they charge. I was approved to adopt a Maltese even though a requirement was a fenced in yard and I lived in a condo because I was a great home with references, etc.
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