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Old 10-21-2012, 06:14 PM
 
Location: South Jersey
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It's a known fact that the PA side of the Philly metro is USUALLY much wealthier than the NJ side. Of course the PA suburbs are going to have higher taxes then
LOL! Wrong again!! its so easy to prove you wrong.. Look at Burlington and Mercer counties in the NJ chart. South Jersey. Then compare to PA's richest.. See much of a difference?? LOL

New Jersey locations by per capita income - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

List of Pennsylvania counties by per capita income - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Old 10-21-2012, 06:15 PM
 
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wrong. Bucks/Mont/south jersey counties are comparable. All the same home stock at the same aprox prices.
Bucks/Chester compare fairly well to Burlington. Montgomery/Delaware don't see close peers in either Camden or Gloucester.
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Old 10-21-2012, 06:18 PM
 
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LOL! Wrong again!! its so easy to prove you wrong.. Look at Burlington and Mercer counties in the NJ chart. South Jersey. Then compare to PA's richest.. See much of a difference?? LOL

New Jersey locations by per capita income - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

List of Pennsylvania counties by per capita income - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
In 2000, Montgomery/Chester were a decent bit ahead of both. Burlington may have since closed the gap somewhat, but Chester is definitely in a league of its own. I'll check the more recent #s later and faithfully report (or if you beat me to the punch Frank, feel free to post them for me ). FWIW the 2006-2010 combined ACS results are the most accurate.
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Old 10-21-2012, 06:56 PM
 
Location: Philadelphia, PA
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LOL! Wrong again!! its so easy to prove you wrong.. Look at Burlington and Mercer counties in the NJ chart. South Jersey. Then compare to PA's richest.. See much of a difference?? LOL

New Jersey locations by per capita income - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

List of Pennsylvania counties by per capita income - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Again, your argument makes no sense. Mercer County is in the NYC metro, not the Philly metro. As much as I would like it to be a part of the Philly metro, it is not.

So the next county down on the link YOU provided is Burlington County with a Median Household income of $56,100.

Three out of the 5 PA counties in the Philly metro are wealthier than the NJ side. That is Chester County at $69,833, Montco at $62,829 and Bucks at $59,727. All significantly wealthier than the wealthiest county on the NJ side of the burbs.

Then, within the Philadelphia metro, the next county down is Gloucester County with a Median Household income of $54,273.

Then Delaware County in PA at $50,092. Then the final 3 NJ counties: Camden County at $48,097, Salm County at $45,573 and Cumberland County at $39,150.

It is VERY evident why taxes would be higher in PA. THE PA SIDE IS MUCH WEALTHIER.

The higher taxes become even more evident when you look at individual towns. For instance, somewhere like Villanova

Quote:
The median income for a household in the community was $159,538, and the median income for a family was $174,511
Villanova, Pennsylvania - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Shares Montgomery County with somewhere like Norristown
Quote:
The median household income was $35,714, and the median family income was $42,357.
Norristown, Pennsylvania - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

You can see where the disparity in county income values comes from... can you not?

Now lets look at two areas with similar incomes.

East Greenwich Township, New Jersey in Gloucester County
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The median income for a household in the township was $65,701, and the median income for a family was $74,455.
East Greenwich Township, New Jersey - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

According to your link in the OP, taxes for this Township are $7,497 or 12.5 percent of annual income.


Now Thornbury Township, PA in Delaware County
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The median income for a household in the township was $82,441, and the median income for a family was $91,179.
Thornbury Township, Delaware County, Pennsylvania - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

According to your link in the OP, taxes for this Township are $7,547 or 12.6 percent of annual income.

You see how much wealthier Thornbury Township in Delaware County, PA is than East Greenwich NJ?? Yet they are only paying $50 more a year in taxes in Thornbury? HAHA!

Right Frank.... NJ is SOOOO much cheaper. No, wrong.... more like the middle class are paying taxes in NJ that the Upper Middle Class pay in PA.

And I'm the one who is wrong?! RIGHTTTTTTTT
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Old 10-21-2012, 07:05 PM
 
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Again, your argument makes no sense. Mercer County is in the NYC metro, not the Philly metro. As much as I would like it to be a part of the Philly metro, it is not.

So the next county down on the link YOU provided is Burlington County with a Median Household income of $56,100.

Three out of the 5 PA counties in the Philly metro are wealthier than the NJ side. That is Chester County at $69,833, Montco at $62,829 and Bucks at $59,727. All significantly wealthier than the wealthiest county on the NJ side of the burbs.

Then, within the Philadelphia metro, the next county down is Gloucester County with a Median Household income of $54,273.

Then Delaware County in PA at $50,092. Then the final 3 NJ counties: Camden County at $48,097, Salm County at $45,573 and Cumberland County at $39,150.

It is VERY evident why taxes would be higher in PA. THE PA SIDE IS MUCH WEALTHIER.

The higher taxes become even more evident when you look at individual towns. For instance, somewhere like Villanova

Villanova, Pennsylvania - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Shares Montgomery County with somewhere like Norristown
Norristown, Pennsylvania - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

You can see where the disparity in county income values comes from... can you not?

Now lets look at two areas with similar incomes.

East Greenwich Township, New Jersey in Gloucester County
East Greenwich Township, New Jersey - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

According to your link in the OP, taxes for this Township are $7,497 or 12.5 percent of annual income.


Now Thornbury Township, PA in Delaware County
Thornbury Township, Delaware County, Pennsylvania - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

According to your link in the OP, taxes for this Township are $7,547 or 12.6 percent of annual income.

You see how much wealthier Thornbury Township in Delaware County, PA is than East Greenwich NJ?? Yet they are only paying $50 more a year in taxes in Thornbury? HAHA!

Right Frank.... NJ is SOOOO much cheaper. No, wrong.... more like the middle class are paying taxes in NJ that the Upper Middle Class pay in PA.

And I'm the one who is wrong?! RIGHTTTTTTTT
Let's be fair here. I think frank makes a good point that "truisms" such as "Jersey taxes are always higher" is far from necessarily the case, even if the source he quotes is, in all likelihood, skewed to benefit the NJ side based on the state's different income tax structure. I think the one conclusion we can take from all this is "things that are 'for certain' seldom actually are," and whatever you do and wherever you go, do your damn homework and make the fiscal tabulations yourself.
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Old 10-21-2012, 07:08 PM
 
Location: Philadelphia, PA
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Again, lets look at two more townships.

Cherry Hill Township in Camden County, NJ:

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)median household income was $88,183 and the median family income was $105,786
Upper Makefield Township, Bucks County, Pennsylvania - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

According to the link you provided in the OP, taxes for this township are $8,237 or 13.7% of annual income.


Now lets take a look at Upper Makefield Township in Bucks County, PA:

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The median income for a household in the township was $102,759, and the median income for a family was $114,064.
Upper Makefield Township, Bucks County, Pennsylvania - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

According to the link you provided in the OP, taxes for this township are $7,821 or 13.0% of annual income.

Again, Upper Makefield Township, PA is significantly wealthier than Cherry Hill Township, NJ yet Upper Makefield STILL pays less taxes.

Your argument is false Frank. NJ IS MORE EXPENSIVE. Face it.

But I'm the one who is wrong... right?
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Old 10-21-2012, 07:17 PM
 
Location: South Jersey
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LOL Mercer IS a Philly burb!! Its not in North Jersey!! Look how much you know!!! Yes LETS use Villanova and compare to Moorestown nj.. Nova is $50,204 per capita and Moorestown is $58,458! LOL Wrong again using your info! At least if your trying to win an argument use facts that will help *your* argument! lol. Opps and notice that Burlington township IS higher then Villanova!! lol Fail!

There goes your argument! Wrong again ..

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Again, your argument makes no sense. Mercer County is in the NYC metro, not the Philly metro. As much as I would like it to be a part of the Philly metro, it is not.

So the next county down on the link YOU provided is Burlington County with a Median Household income of $56,100.

Three out of the 5 PA counties in the Philly metro are wealthier than the NJ side. That is Chester County at $69,833, Montco at $62,829 and Bucks at $59,727. All significantly wealthier than the wealthiest county on the NJ side of the burbs.

Then, within the Philadelphia metro, the next county down is Gloucester County with a Median Household income of $54,273.

Then Delaware County in PA at $50,092. Then the final 3 NJ counties: Camden County at $48,097, Salm County at $45,573 and Cumberland County at $39,150.

It is VERY evident why taxes would be higher in PA. THE PA SIDE IS MUCH WEALTHIER.

The higher taxes become even more evident when you look at individual towns. For instance, somewhere like Villanova

Villanova, Pennsylvania - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Shares Montgomery County with somewhere like Norristown
Norristown, Pennsylvania - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

You can see where the disparity in county income values comes from... can you not?

Now lets look at two areas with similar incomes.

East Greenwich Township, New Jersey in Gloucester County
East Greenwich Township, New Jersey - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

According to your link in the OP, taxes for this Township are $7,497 or 12.5 percent of annual income.


Now Thornbury Township, PA in Delaware County
Thornbury Township, Delaware County, Pennsylvania - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

According to your link in the OP, taxes for this Township are $7,547 or 12.6 percent of annual income.

You see how much wealthier Thornbury Township in Delaware County, PA is than East Greenwich NJ?? Yet they are only paying $50 more a year in taxes in Thornbury? HAHA!

Right Frank.... NJ is SOOOO much cheaper. No, wrong.... more like the middle class are paying taxes in NJ that the Upper Middle Class pay in PA.

And I'm the one who is wrong?! RIGHTTTTTTTT
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Old 10-21-2012, 07:25 PM
 
Location: North by Northwest
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LOL Mercer IS a Philly burb!! Its not in North Jersey!! Look how much you know!!! Yes LETS use Villanova and compare to Moorestown nj.. Nova is $50,204 per capita and Moorestown is $58,458! LOL Wrong again using your info!
Well, not exactly. That $50k per capita income figure for Villanova is based on 2000 data. The $58k per capita income figure for Moorestown is based on 2006-2010 data. For whatever reason, the census no longer offers comparable data for zip code tabulation areas (other than for the Economic Census, which, despite its name, is unfortunately of no help here). I can say that in Lower Merion and Radnor Townships (in which the Villanova zip code is located), the per capita income is $73,031 (very significantly higher) and $49,482 respectively (significantly lower). So it's probably a little more than a wash, with Villanova getting the edge.

But once again, in all fairness, there is far more wealth on the PA side of the river. Villanova is one of relatively many. Moorestown is superlatively wealthy for South Jersey (excluding Mercer County, I'm fairly certain the only NJ municipality just as rich is Haddonfield, although Medford may not be far off).

For all your demographic pissing contest-related needs:
http://factfinder2.census.gov/faces/...es/index.xhtml

Play nice, kids. And for Pete's sake, make sure you're comparing the same data sets.

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Old 10-21-2012, 07:31 PM
 
Location: Philadelphia, PA
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LOL Mercer IS a Philly burb!! Its not in North Jersey!! Look how much you know!!! Yes LETS use Villanova and compare to Moorestown nj.. Nova is $50,204 per capita and Moorestown is $58,458! LOL Wrong again using your info! At least if your trying to win an argument use facts that will help *your* argument! lol. Opps and notice that Burlington township IS higher then Villanova!! lol Fail!

There goes your argument! Wrong again ..
What are you even talking about? I'm posting links proving facts and you are spurting out barely readable nonsense.

Villanova has a Median Household income of $175,105...
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Where did you even get $50,204 from? It's obviously not true.

Moorestown, NJ has a Median Household income of $99,701
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Villanova is MUCH wealthier than Moorestown, NJ by $76k a year!

Again, let's forget about Counties and towns and anything else.... I was comparing Townships. Similar Townships with similar tax burdens.

I never compared Villanova to ANYTHING in NJ... so why are you comparing Villanova to anywhere in NJ?

How am I wrong? Please tell me?

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Old 10-21-2012, 07:35 PM
 
Location: Philadelphia, PA
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LOL Mercer IS a Philly burb!! Its not in North Jersey!! Look how much you know!!!
Look how much I know? Mercer is a part of the NYC CSA... it is not a Philly burb.

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It is officially part of both the New York metropolitan area and the Trenton-Ewing Metropolitan Statistical Area.
Mercer County, New Jersey - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

But I'm the one who is wrong... right?
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