How ghetto/ dangerous around city hall and vital statistics office? (Philadelphia: law, yard)

[FrankInPhilly]

What has any of this to do with Post #1?

[NewtownBucks]

Originally Posted by kyb01

If Trump is forced out his cult will go postal, as we used to say. They will lash out and it's hard to see how that possibility would end well.

I'm not convinced he'll be "forced" out. It depends on what comes of Mueller's investigation, but I really doubt there's going to be any "collusion" (in the sense of active collaboration with Russian intelligence on damaging info to subvert US democracy or manipulation of actual voting results). If Trump is impeached, it will be either on something RICO related because as a billionaire NY real estate developer, I'm sure he has all kinds of very shady business and financial relationships, or obstruction of justice because it's pretty easy for someone that incompetent with that much power to be guilty of obstruction by accident.

More likely, he'll play out the string, and then one of the next elections will be a major Democratic wave that will flip the power back to the other side. Whether the wave election happens in 2020 or 2024 depends on whether the DNC and Democratic base learned the proper lessons from the catastrophic 2016 election and who they select as a candidate in 2020. They need a vision other than "Trump is an incompetent imbecile and I'm not Trump". One of the biggest reasons Trump won is that he did effectively espouse a vision for the country. It was a terrible, hateful, racist, authoritarian vision that appealed to the basest fears of triggered old white people, but it was a vision nonetheless and it inspired those people and gave them something to believe in. The Dems need a vision and a plan (hopefully a more kind, rational one) and a better candidate if they are going to beat him in 2020.

All of this with Trump will still likely happen before the tectonic shift in US politics when TX is no longer reliably red, which is probably still at least a decade or so away.

[NewtownBucks]

Originally Posted by Pilot1

Being so close to Jersey is affecting your perspective. However, will your socialist Utopia be everything you think it will be?

LOL, I'm not a socialist. NeverTrump is not a leftist movement.

[kyb01]

Originally Posted by cpomp

I wonder when/ if the US would ever split up.

We tried it before, remember? Or rather a set of states tried it.

Seriously, though, and I don't want to get overly OT. The better course, imo, is to increase the number of eligible voters, many of whom are naturals for Democrats. Discourage voter ids which is really about voter suppression. Try to convince enough conservatives, even the scared and angry ones, that most immigrants are not their enemies. That is very important, imo. The states are so intertwined economically any dissolution would be worse than Brexit in its complexity.

I've been to Alabama a lot over the years and I was not all that surprised that Doug Jones won. When I was there in 2012 I saw a surprising number bumper stickers for Obama.

[Pilot1]

Originally Posted by NewtownBucks

LOL, I'm not a socialist. NeverTrump is not a leftist movement.

My mistake.

[mls128]

Originally Posted by kyb01

We tried it before, remember? Or rather a set of states tried it.

Seriously, though, and I don't want to get overly OT. The better course, imo, is to increase the number of eligible voters, many of whom are naturals for Democrats. Discourage voter ids which is really about voter suppression. Try to convince enough conservatives, even the scared and angry ones, that most immigrants are not their enemies. That is very important, imo. The states are so intertwined economically any dissolution would be worse than Brexit in its complexity.

I've been to Alabama a lot over the years and I was not all that surprised that Doug Jones won. When I was there in 2012 I saw a surprising number bumper stickers for Obama.

Really kyb01? You are usually someone who's posts I can tolerate from the liberal viewpoint, but how is voter id about suppression? Everyone should have an ID. It prevents voter fraud. As it is now, anyone can go to the poll and say they are any registered voter and vote. On the Doug Jones thing, i'm not surprised he won either. A lot of conservatives didn't want to vote for Moore but didn't want to vote for Jones either. A lot did write ins (which is basically voting for Jones) or didn't vote.

[Pine to Vine]

Originally Posted by mls128

Really kyb01? You are usually someone who's posts I can tolerate from the liberal viewpoint, but how is voter id about suppression?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vote..._United_States

[Pilot1]

Valid I.D.'s in most, if not all states are available FOR FREE. You need an I.D. for almost all other aspects of life. Why not voting? It will suppress VOTER FRAUD which is how the Democrats win elections. That's why they don't want it. It has nothing to do with suppression of "minorities", or others.

[kyb01]

Originally Posted by mls128

Really kyb01? You are usually someone who's posts I can tolerate from the liberal viewpoint, but how is voter id about suppression? Everyone should have an ID. It prevents voter fraud. As it is now, anyone can go to the poll and say they are any registered voter and vote. On the Doug Jones thing, i'm not surprised he won either. A lot of conservatives didn't want to vote for Moore but didn't want to vote for Jones either. A lot did write ins (which is basically voting for Jones) or didn't vote.

It's all dependent on what the rules are per state which requires them. Lots of minorities or elderly people do not have the needed credentials...like birth certificates or driver's licenses or non-driver ids to verify their right to vote.

Even though specific voter ids are free in all the states that need them, one needs to go to dmv offices which are sometimes hard to get to. Some states suspiciously closed some dmv offices which makes it even harder to get the ids.

Voter ids were found unconstitutional in PA a while back. The case involved an elderly black lady who had been registered to vote for years, had been voting for years, who couldn't procure the needed documents for a voter id when it became law. There's probably a ton of stuff online about the case, I'm sure, if you would like to see how that case was concluded.

Only right-wing folks like Trump think there's any serious or real voter fraud. His latest crap about it is he thinks Dems bussed black people from Mississippi to vote in the Alabama election and that's why Jones won. Total nonsense! Lol

[southbound_295]

Originally Posted by Pilot1

Valid I.D.'s in most, if not all states are available FOR FREE. You need an I.D. for almost all other aspects of life. Why not voting? It will suppress VOTER FRAUD which is how the Democrats win elections. That's why they don't want it. It has nothing to do with suppression of "minorities", or others.

Apparently you never saw the NC Republican on YouTube bragging about the voter ID law, saying that it would keep Democrats away from the poll. The courts believed him.