08-27-2019, 08:33 AM
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i think i heard cherry hill mall was the first mall in america in 1967
It opened in 1961 as the first climate controlled shopping center in the country. The word "mall" didn't exist then. So interesting that it still seems to be going strong while other newer shopping centers/malls have died.
King of Prussia started as a kind of strip shopping center.
08-27-2019, 08:36 AM
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Sounds like fear of gentrification.
08-27-2019, 11:33 AM
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It opened in 1961 as the first climate controlled shopping center in the country. The word "mall" didn't exist then. So interesting that it still seems to be going strong while other newer shopping centers/malls have died.
It wasn't the first climate-controlled shopping mall in the country, either.
I also need to correct one of my posts upthread on this subject.
The mall I identified as "Southgate, outside Detroit," wasn't the one I had in mind.
It was this one:
Southdale Center in Edina, Minn., a Minneapolis suburb. Designed by Austrian-born Victor Gruen, it was the first enclosed shopping center in the United States, and it opened in 1956.
(Numerous open-air malls preceded it. Suburban Square in Ardmore should be considered one of these, given its layout around two pedestrian-only streets.)
The irony of Southdale - the first of several suburban Twin Cities centers to have names ending in "dale," which led to the local use of "the dales" to refer to suburban department store locations there (fans of "A Prairie Home Companion" should be famiilar with this usage from the ads on that show for "Bertha's Kitty Boutique in the dales: Northdale, Southdale, Airedale, Mondale...*") - was that Gruen, a European socialist, meant the complex to serve as a community center of sorts that would counter the spread of "car-centric" suburbia. Instead, it aided and abetted it.
However: Cherry Hill was the first enclosed mall east of the Mississippi - and Gruen designed it too.
Also: While "mall" may not have become a widespread term to refer to such centers by the time the Cherry Hill Shopping Center opened, it had already entered the language by that point: the
Blue Ridge Mall on the Kansas City-Independence border in Missouri opened the year after Southgate under that name. It was demolished in 2005.
*It's this use of and play on the term that probably causes me to chuckle whenever I run across Wensleydale cheese at a cheese shop.
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08-28-2019, 08:29 AM
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It wasn't the first climate-controlled shopping mall in the country, either.
I also need to correct one of my posts upthread on this subject.
The mall I identified as "Southgate, outside Detroit," wasn't the one I had in mind.
It was this one:
Southdale Center in Edina, Minn., a Minneapolis suburb. Designed by Austrian-born Victor Gruen, it was the first enclosed shopping center in the United States, and it opened in 1956.
(Numerous open-air malls preceded it. Suburban Square in Ardmore should be considered one of these, given its layout around two pedestrian-only streets.)
The irony of Southdale - the first of several suburban Twin Cities centers to have names ending in "dale," which led to the local use of "the dales" to refer to suburban department store locations there (fans of "A Prairie Home Companion" should be famiilar with this usage from the ads on that show for "Bertha's Kitty Boutique in the dales: Northdale, Southdale, Airedale, Mondale...*") - was that Gruen, a European socialist, meant the complex to serve as a community center of sorts that would counter the spread of "car-centric" suburbia. Instead, it aided and abetted it.
However: Cherry Hill was the first enclosed mall east of the Mississippi - and Gruen designed it too.
Also: While "mall" may not have become a widespread term to refer to such centers by the time the Cherry Hill Shopping Center opened, it had already entered the language by that point: the
Blue Ridge Mall on the Kansas City-Independence border in Missouri opened the year after Southgate under that name. It was demolished in 2005.
*It's this use of and play on the term that probably causes me to chuckle whenever I run across Wensleydale cheese at a cheese shop.
Well, then the wiki entry for Cherry Hill needs to be changed. In any case it remains, to this day ,a historic moment and important place(thank you, James Rouse) wrt shopping in the Philadelphia area. Give it that and stop pushing KC when no one else cares considering that it's always OT on this board.
08-28-2019, 12:54 PM
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Well, then the wiki entry for Cherry Hill needs to be changed. In any case it remains, to this day ,a historic moment and important place(thank you, James Rouse) wrt shopping in the Philadelphia area. Give it that and stop pushing KC when no one else cares considering that it's always OT on this board.
No one cares? Honestly, I learn more from MSE than any other poster on this board, and I for one hope he doesn't stop what he's doing. Even when it's off topic, per se, it usually relates back to Philly in some interesting way, and I get to learn about us and our place in the country in ways I might not have considered previously.
08-29-2019, 01:04 AM
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Well, then the wiki entry for Cherry Hill needs to be changed. In any case it remains, to this day ,a historic moment and important place(thank you, James Rouse) wrt shopping in the Philadelphia area. Give it that and stop pushing KC when no one else cares considering that it's always OT on this board.
Relevant to the sub-discussion, i.e., historical shopping centers and, in this case, an example of the word "mall" in use to counter your statement that no shopping centers used that name at the time Cherry Hill opened. It's what I know, so why not use it where it's relevant?
And the Wikipedia entry does reflect what I wrote. (I checked it after confirming Southdale's status.) Its somewhat overloaded lead sentence:
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he Cherry Hill Mall, owned by Pennsylvania Real Estate Investment Trust (PREIT), was originally known as Cherry Hill Shopping Center, commonly reported as the first indoor, climate-controlled shopping center east of the Mississippi River in the United States, and opened on October 11, 1961.
08-29-2019, 03:42 PM
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No one cares? Honestly, I learn more from MSE than any other poster on this board, and I for one hope he doesn't stop what he's doing. Even when it's off topic, per se, it usually relates back to Philly in some interesting way, and I get to learn about us and our place in the country in ways I might not have considered previously.
Sandy writes for a living so he's about "essays" and has a wealth of information in his head at his finger tips. The KC crack is kind of tongue in check.
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I believe I saw 1967 on the wall at Cherry Hill mall
08-29-2019, 11:24 PM
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I believe I saw 1967 on the wall at Cherry Hill mall
Look at the cornerstone on the Macy's store there - it's dated 1961.
So was the one on the Strawbridge & Clothier store when it was still standing.
It opened in 1961, not 1967.
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Look at the cornerstone on the Macy's store there - it's dated 1961.
i must go to cherry hill mall this weekend to confirm i dont need eye surgery. lol
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People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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