Is Taylor Swift the most famous person to ever come from the Philly area? (Philadelphia: stores, title)

[gwillyfromphilly]

Originally Posted by Muinteoir

I wasn’t sure which thread I wanted to post this in, but this one seems more drama-centric.

The Swift regional allegiance saga heats up!!! I might blast her songs while flying my Eagles flags from my car all day tomorrow. Thoughts?

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/phila...b05723e4bd9017

If the people running Q-102 had half a brain they would've realized that Taylor Swift is only supporting the Chiefs because her BOYFRIEND IS ON THE TEAM. No different than Travis Kelce's parents supporting the Chiefs because their SON PLAYS ON THE TEAM. The radio station is just desperate to make Taylor Swift some sort of villain.

I didn't think Q-102 would be so petty but it doesn't matter because if Taylor Swift randomly announced that she will do a concert at the Linc tomorrow instead of the Eagles game, her concert would sell out in less than an hour despite Q-102 not playing her music.

[quiet life]

Originally Posted by MarketStEl

Actually, the OMB includes counties in a given MSA based on commuting percentages: what portion of a county's residents commute to work in one of the existing MSA counties, or what percentage of residents of an existing MSA county or counties commute to work in the county in question.

New Castle County, Delaware (Wilmington and most of its suburbs) was added to the Philadelphia MSA several decades ago. (For a while in the early 2000s, I reverse-commuted from my Wash West home to a job right on Rodney Square in downtown Wilmington.) Enough residents of Salem County, New Jersey, and Cecil County, Maryland (two of the five counties that border New Castle; two of them, Delaware and Chester, are part of the original eight-county Philadelphia MSA) commute to jobs in Wilmington or its suburbs to include them in the Wilmington Metropolitan Division.

The reason Mercer County, NJ (the Trenton MSA) got moved from the Philadelphia CSA to the New York CSA is because a fair number of Middlesex County residents started working in the Princeton area, which is now a sizable job center. I think the number was high enough to tip the balance of inter-county commuting away of Philadelphia.

Though I have also heard an apocryphal story to the effect that the shift was made to give Federal Government employees in Mercer County a backdoor pay raise. Federal Government cost-of-living adjustments are based on what MSA or CSA a county lies in.

To get from the Philadelphia MSA to Carbon County, you must pass through the Lehigh Valley (Allentown-Bethlehem-Easton) MSA. It's considered the fourth county of the Poconos; it borders the core county, Monroe. I know of no county not adjacent to an MSA and separated from that MSA by another MSA to be included in that MSA. Carbon County, btw, is not part of any MSA.

::::Hand in popcorn bag:::: Interesting facts. However, Reading is NOT in the Philly area. Not even a Philly suburb. FYI.

[MarketStEl]

Originally Posted by quiet life

::::Hand in popcorn bag:::: Interesting facts. However, Reading is NOT in the Philly area. Not even a Philly suburb. FYI.

Correct. Reading is a separate MSA. However, the Reading MSA is part of the Philadelphia-Reading-Atlantic City CSA.

[selhars]

OK ...so Reading is a separate MSA, but that MSA is part of the Philadelphia-Reading-Atlantic City CSA.

Is it really your position that because the word "Area" is in the CSA name of the category -- that that can be used to say TS is from the Philly area.

I appreciate the Census lesson. But IMO that doesn't make TS from the Phila Area......and in normal conversation and understanding, I think it's even clear from this thread, that most people (unless I counted wrong) don't think of a person from Reading -- or Wyomissing -- as being from the Phila area.

[MarketStEl]

Well, given the wording of the question, even those who — perhaps thanks to the composition of the CSA — consider Reading in Philadelphia's orbit and thus part of "the Philly area" don't consider Taylor Swift the most famous person ever to come from itl.

My vote there is for Benjamin Frankliin — a transplant from Boston, I might point out.

However: Chances are that, before she started dating Travis Kelce, if she followed a pro football team at all, it would have been the Eagles.

[AshbyQuin]

I don't think MarketStEl was implying that Taylor was local, like at all. He explained to me the reasons and methods behind area designations by the OMB. And as a follow up to his statement on Monroe County, I believe it was changed from an MSA to μSA in the 2020 census with East Stroudsburg.

On a related note, it was super petty and shortsighted for Q102 to ban Taylor's music from their station. most of her fans belong to Gen Z and don't listen to the radio at all in favor of streaming services and carplay, lol. the few listeners who did tune in to the station because Taylor was played will no longer have a reason to continue listening. Basically shot themselves in the foot.

[Muinteoir]

Originally Posted by AshbyQuin

I don't think MarketStEl was implying that Taylor was local, like at all. He explained to me the reasons and methods behind area designations by the OMB. And as a follow up to his statement on Monroe County, I believe it was changed from an MSA to μSA in the 2020 census with East Stroudsburg.

On a related note, it was super petty and shortsighted for Q102 to ban Taylor's music from their station. most of her fans belong to Gen Z and don't listen to the radio at all in favor of streaming services and carplay, lol. the few listeners who did tune in to the station because Taylor was played will no longer have a reason to continue listening. Basically shot themselves in the foot.

I agree with gwilly that they were just stirring up drama for headlines. It was kinda funny. There are also LOTS of Millennial Swifties. And then there are the moms (and dads) of Gen Z and Millennial 'kids' who got into her music by way of their offspring. While she definitely appeals more heavily to the younger half of the country, I'd say her fanbase is decently cross-generational.

[quiet life]

Originally Posted by selhars

OK ...so Reading is a separate MSA, but that MSA is part of the Philadelphia-Reading-Atlantic City CSA.

Is it really your position that because the word "Area" is in the CSA name of the category -- that that can be used to say TS is from the Philly area.

I appreciate the Census lesson. But IMO that doesn't make TS from the Phila Area......and in normal conversation and understanding, I think it's even clear from this thread, that most people (unless I counted wrong) don't think of a person from Reading -- or Wyomissing -- as being from the Phila area.

By George....Oh, nevermind. :::::Making another batch of popcorn::::

[Pennsport]

Originally Posted by AshbyQuin

I don't think MarketStEl was implying that Taylor was local, like at all. He explained to me the reasons and methods behind area designations by the OMB. And as a follow up to his statement on Monroe County, I believe it was changed from an MSA to μSA in the 2020 census with East Stroudsburg.

On a related note, it was super petty and shortsighted for Q102 to ban Taylor's music from their station. most of her fans belong to Gen Z and don't listen to the radio at all in favor of streaming services and carplay, lol. the few listeners who did tune in to the station because Taylor was played will no longer have a reason to continue listening. Basically shot themselves in the foot.

Was it though? We're all talking about this - in the news, on blogs, in social, etc...

Pretty good publicity in my opinion. Might p*ss off some Swifties, but good PR regardless, while also demonstrating unwavering loyalty to Philadelphia - even if it was just a silly stunt. Branding your station "The Philadelphia Local/Home Station" is a good strategy IMO. We'll see if their listenership actually goes down. I kind of doubt it as the station still plays all the music most Swifties like, and now, will most likely put Swift songs heavily back on the schedule.

[ElijahAstin]

Reading is outside of the Philadelphia Area and has its own distinct culture, but the city proper and nearer suburbs remain within the outer bounds of the Philadelphia sphere of influence. It’s not dissimilar from the South Jersey Shore in that regard, although the latter region has stronger Philadelphia ties by virtue of its seasonal population and fair number of transplants that have settled down in the area (mostly as retirees).

The most striking difference is Reading’s Pennsylvania Dutch connection, especially as you get into the outer suburbs and rural areas.