07-05-2009, 11:33 AM
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Hey there, anyone know the facts about living near a power plant, say the Limrick one? I am clueless but scared about living near a nuclear power plant. I just keep thinking my baby will be born with all kinds of crazy problems.
I love downtown Phoenixville, the fact that it is near Valley Forge, and the river. I found a few places that we can afford and like but am now uncertain of how safe it is. So if someone can give me any facts on the subject I would appreciate it. Meanwhile, I will read the website the plant has and try to figure out how much of what they tell me is BS and what is fact.
Thanks!!!
07-05-2009, 12:39 PM
Location: Boston Metrowest (via the Philly area)
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serfmunke
Hey there, anyone know the facts about living near a power plant, say the Limrick one? I am clueless but scared about living near a nuclear power plant. I just keep thinking my baby will be born with all kinds of crazy problems.
I love downtown Phoenixville, the fact that it is near Valley Forge, and the river. I found a few places that we can afford and like but am now uncertain of how safe it is. So if someone can give me any facts on the subject I would appreciate it. Meanwhile, I will read the website the plant has and try to figure out how much of what they tell me is BS and what is fact.
Thanks!!!
While I can certainly understand the concerns with living adjacent to Limerick, I would not necessarily allow that to be the ultimate decision-breaker for deciding on whether to live in Phoenixille. There is daily monitoring of the plant from local and federal authorities (Nuclear Regulatory Commission), which is consistent with policy for all nuclear reactors across the country. Assuming we can trust the government source, we can hopefully take solace in the fact that a 1990 study found no correlation between cancer rates (one of the most prevalent concerns about populations near nuclear reactors) and proxomity to nuclear power plants. This is one citation from the NRC website:
"In 1990, at the request of Congress, the National Cancer Institute7 conducted a study of cancer mortality rates around 52 nuclear power plants and 10 other nuclear facilities. The study covered the period from 1950 to 1984, and evaluated the change in mortality rates before and during facility operations. The study concluded there was no evidence that nuclear facilities may be linked causally with excess deaths from leukemia or from other cancers in populations living nearby."
NRC: Backgrounder on Radiation Protection and the “Tooth Fairy” Issue
So, take that as you will. I am in no way a proponent of nuclear power and would be among the happiest if the plant was decommissioned, but I think -- at least as far as the health affects are concerned -- there appears to be a large amount of oversight, being that this is an issue in every densely-populated area where there is a nuclear reactor in operation.
I hope that at least gives you some reassurance. Good luck in whatever you choose!
07-05-2009, 01:01 PM
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Hey there, anyone know the facts about living near a power plant, say the Limrick one? I am clueless but scared about living near a nuclear power plant. Especially if the last major study was done in 1990. I just keep thinking my baby will be born with all kinds of crazy problems.
I love downtown Phoenixville, the fact that it is near Valley Forge, and the river. I found a few places that we can afford and like but am now uncertain of how safe it is. So if someone can give me any facts on the subject I would appreciate it. Meanwhile, I will read the website the plant has and try to figure out how much of what they tell me is BS and what is fact.
Thanks!!!
Whether or not there is any evidence of contamination is hard to say since such information is hard to analyze or normally explained away by private industry. But there have been assertions made that power plants contaminate ground water and drinking water.
This is an opinion piece on the Limerick Plant contaminating the Schuylkill:
Limerick nuclear plant a threat to drinking water - The Mercury Opinion: Pottstown, PA and The Tri County areas of Montgomery, Berks and Chester Counties (pottsmerc.com)
"For three years ACE collected documentation from permits, dockets, and other official sources that identify significant cause for concern related to Limerick Nuclear Power Plant operational impacts on the Schuylkill River."
My opinion on the subject - there is no way these power plants across the country do not contaminate the local water supply and ground water, it's just a matter of how much, not if it does. People around Toms River, NJ have had a large increase in cancer rates among children that the local community claimed was due to illegal dumping by a company in the area. Guess what? There's also a power plant in nearby Lacey Township. Hard to say if that is the cause. But the plant was shut down for repair around the same time and then the cancer rate began to decline. Coincidence? I highly doubt it.
http://www.democraticunderground.com...ress=115x47724
Government agencies and private industry are going to spin it as safe because they are making money and activist groups will claim otherwise. Unless there is an accident, things will stay as they are. It's up to you to decide. Philadelphia was also recently named one of the Top 10 most cancerous cities. Again, no proof, but there seems to be a local issue attributed to something.
Lastly, real estate around power plants is a harder sale. People are naturally afraid of these issues. The best way to deal with it is to choose not to live around one.
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07-05-2009, 01:04 PM
Location: Philadelphia
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Nuclear power is very safe and isn't a threat to you or your family.
Check out this article, from one of my favorite podcasts.
skeptoid.com/episodes/4092
More people die of lung disease caused by conventional fossil-fuel plants than people die of nuclear radiation. Chernobyl happened because it was a shoddy, old, ill repaired reactor staffed by non-trained individuals. Three-Mile-Island was actually a testament to the reaction of emergency management teams.
Nuclear reactors are meant to be safe, you can trust the government source on that, they may be inept, but they don't want people dying of leukemia. Radiation comes in three flavors, alpha, beta, and gamma radiation. Alpha is deflected by your skin, beta by your clothes, and while gamma is a whole different ballgame, the actual reactor is shielded by graphite and lead, not to mention a thick concrete outer shell.
Nuclear power may seem scary, but with new advances in reactor tech and a need for cheap and clean sources of energy we may be building more these days.
Whatever you choose, I hope I alleviated your fears! :P
@MoorestownResident, that article seems a bit shoddy, coolant water is heated, but not radiated in any major way, and if it was it'd be like going through an x-ray machine.
Radiation like that dissipates quickly and over a large area probably amounts to no more than background radiation. Remember that "nuclear radiation" is just light at a higher frequency. You'd have to play around with it like the Curies to get ill. Check out the comments too, people seem to be skeptical of the article, which is an editorial (opinion piece) and not legitimate investigative journalism.
Higher cancer incidence in Philly is probably due to traffic, lack of access to medical care due to poverty, and to good ole' Rohm and Haas.
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07-05-2009, 01:13 PM
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I'm not saying it isn't safe but I am keeping an open mind on the subject. There's a lot of conflicting stuff out there on the subject and knowing big business the way I do, I cannot dismiss that they wouldn't try to minimize minor problems that might exist.
07-05-2009, 01:17 PM
Location: Philadelphia
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Depends on the businesses IMO, nuclear power plants generally have a good track record. They know their craft very well. Companies that don't serve the public good in a direct way, I'd be leery off. Like the paper mills that turned the Schuylkill and Delaware into sludge in the 20s. Personally I'd have no problem living next to a nuclear plant (well not RIGHT next to it :P). But then again I'd live in a house someone was murdered in. Yet I wouldn't live in Bridesburg next to Sunoco and Rohm & Haas.
07-05-2009, 02:12 PM
Location: Pennsylvania
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I lived in Phoenixville for a bit, and I liked it for the same reasons you do. But me and the wife could never get used to seeing the Limerick towers whenever we drove in many areas. As a child of the 80's, and always hearing/reading the Chernobyl and 3 Mile Island stories, we couldn't shake the "nuclear = scary" feeling. It may be dumb or irrational, but hey it's my opinion.
It stinks that you can see them from parts of Valley Forge Park (one of the nicer parks in the northeast, in my opinion).
07-06-2009, 07:18 PM
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Just don't purchase a home with a view of the towers, real estate agents in the area have told me they can be a tough sell.
07-07-2009, 01:48 PM
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Wow, I really appreciate all the feedback and links to articles. I need to read up and do the research. I am also very happy I have a great realtor who is honest and I trust her opinion, so we'll see what happens. I mean Phoenixville couldn't be any worse than Ridley Park which is next to 95, 476, the airport, Boeing, and some other spewing industrial buildings.
Thanks a bunch people!
07-07-2009, 08:09 PM
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I have lived in the Limerick area for 35 years and I have three very normal children. They are actually very smart...not sure if thats from the power plant though, lol.
The power plants are in a very secure area and they are under constant watch. You are entitled to your feelings but gather all the facts before letting the towers scare you out of an area you really like. Honestly, after living here my whole life...I am very aware of them, I don't notice them.
Good luck to you!
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People in Group quarters - Nursing homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards, hospices, and schools for the handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards and hospices for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospices or homes for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Military hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Other hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals or wards for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Mental (Psychiatric) hospitals or wards (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the deaf (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the blind (%)
People in Group quarters - Orthopedic wards and institutions for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in general hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in military hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Juvenile institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Long-term care (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for abused, dependent, and neglected children (%)
People in Group quarters - Residential treatment centers for emotionally disturbed children (%)
People in Group quarters - Training schools for juvenile delinquents (%)
People in Group quarters - Short-term care, detention or diagnostic centers for delinquent children (%)
People in Group quarters - Type of juvenile institution unknown (%)
People in Group quarters - Noninstitutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - College dormitories (includes college quarters off campus) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - On base (%)
People in Group quarters - Barracks, unaccompanied personnel housing (UPH), (Enlisted/Officer), ;and similar group living quarters for military personnel (%)
People in Group quarters - Transient quarters for temporary residents (%)
People in Group quarters - Military ships (%)
People in Group quarters - Group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes or halfway houses for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)