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Old 05-17-2014, 08:21 PM
 
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No I mean the Universe happens in cycles each time creating life. Like it's all predetermined?
It's all predetermined, but there is no reason to believe it happens more than once.

One very unique planet among many has received some special attention.
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Old 05-17-2014, 08:36 PM
 
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It's all predetermined, but there is no reason to believe it happens more than once.

One very unique planet among many has received some special attention.
why do you think predetermined?
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Old 05-17-2014, 08:37 PM
 
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I have hard time with the chance argument, it's like saying "God did it", neither as really satsifying and both are saying "I don't know" because they don't.
It's not an argument, just a perspective. The odds are astronomical, many many MANY times less likely then you winning the powerball lottery. And we all know how slim those odds are.

It's either coincidence or it's not. Based purely on the odds, it requires more faith to believe it's chance then to believe it's the work of some higher intelligence/consciousness.
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Old 05-17-2014, 09:51 PM
 
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It's not an argument, just a perspective. The odds are astronomical, many many MANY times less likely then you winning the powerball lottery. And we all know how slim those odds are.

It's either coincidence or it's not. Based purely on the odds, it requires more faith to believe it's chance then to believe it's the work of some higher intelligence/consciousness.
What do you think of teleology and that Daniel Dennet the philosopher thinks that the human condition has inborn evolved need to search for meaning and look for meaning when is in in fact none?

Are we wired to look for meaning when it reality there never was one.
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Old 05-17-2014, 10:05 PM
 
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There is a God-shaped vacuum in the heart of every person, and it can never be filled by any created thing.
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Old 05-18-2014, 12:29 AM
 
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Single celled organism that's easy I do believe at one point I have read how they form in a lab... this is old solved news.
Really? Single celled organisms have formed in a lab . . . from non-living matter? Or are you talking about "proto-cells" - the self-organized lipo-protein structures that bear some resemblance to a cellular MEMBRANE? That is a FAR cry from a complete living cell.

I would have thought that laboratory creation of life, at any level, from non-living materials would have shocked the world and been headline news in every media and every country . . . but I haven't heard about it. Did I miss something?

Please direct me to a website where I can learn about this miracle.
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Old 05-18-2014, 05:19 AM
 
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What do you think of teleology and that Daniel Dennet the philosopher thinks that the human condition has inborn evolved need to search for meaning and look for meaning when is in in fact none?

Are we wired to look for meaning when it reality there never was one.
I don't pay much attention to philosophers, this is one reason why. It's not a looking for meaning, it's just an observation of the universe we find ourselves in. The odds of it all lining up "just right" are so ridiculous, it makes the possibility of intelligent design a legit thing. To some, that is so "out there" that they automatically reject the idea without even entertaining it. It's a threat to their ego, since their ego is wrapped up in their belief system.

I don't know if a search for meaning has evolved in/along with us or not, but it's an assumption to think there is none.
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Old 05-18-2014, 07:39 AM
 
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If there is no God, then the purpose of mankind could be and should be to fill that void (nature abhors a vacuum) ; i.e., to become God.

Setting that argument aside, individuals can and should find meaning in their life; there are unlimited options for doing so.
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Old 05-18-2014, 08:31 AM
 
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I really believe at some point humans are going to figure out how to be immortal. We were just born at the wrong time. It amazes me the people that lived million years ago. They never knew how far humanity would go. Or maybe not. Perhaps an asteroid will end our suffering. Anyway at some point in the future the earth will also be destroyed unless we figure out how to move really far from here. oh wait! galaxies also can die.
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Old 05-18-2014, 09:31 AM
 
Location: 'greater' Buffalo, NY
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Really? Single celled organisms have formed in a lab . . . from non-living matter? Or are you talking about "proto-cells" - the self-organized lipo-protein structures that bear some resemblance to a cellular MEMBRANE? That is a FAR cry from a complete living cell.

I would have thought that laboratory creation of life, at any level, from non-living materials would have shocked the world and been headline news in every media and every country . . . but I haven't heard about it. Did I miss something?

Please direct me to a website where I can learn about this miracle.
Scientists create the first life form with 'alien' DNA | The Verge

(note that this is a very recent development)

Anybody want to rent the full article from Nature for $4.99 and send me the entirety of the text via message? Heh
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