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Old 07-17-2012, 08:28 AM
 
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What makes an action moral or immoral?
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Old 07-17-2012, 09:33 AM
 
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How about this, for a cheesily broad answer?

It's subjective.

How about this, for a slightly narrowed down answer?

A morally righteous action eventually results in at least one instance of at least one positive feeling.
An immoral action eventually results in at least one instance of at least one negative feeling.
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Old 07-17-2012, 11:59 AM
 
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What makes an action moral or immoral?

It has to be beyond that of the subjective opinion of man , otherwise its just opinion whether the action is wrong . It has to be based on an objective standard of moral laws which comes from our Creator ; and its THAT standard which IS the essence of our Creators makeup which is manifested thru our Moral Conscience. If there arent objective moral laws which are prescribed to humans to live according to, then humans decide what is right or wrong for themselves and no human atrocity is objectively wrong .
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Old 07-17-2012, 02:24 PM
 
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It has to be beyond that of the subjective opinion of man , otherwise its just opinion whether the action is wrong . It has to be based on an objective standard of moral laws which comes from our Creator ; and its THAT standard which IS the essence of our Creators makeup which is manifested thru our Moral Conscience. If there arent objective moral laws which are prescribed to humans to live according to, then humans decide what is right or wrong for themselves and no human atrocity is objectively wrong .
But wait, what if there is no creator? and from my point of view, that is not even a "what if" it is a "there IS NO creator"
That being said, Moral actions are beneficial to a person's wellbeing, bring pleasure without harm, whereas immoral actions have a victim, violate other's rights and bring pain and harm to the person. Furthermore, consider that man CAN choose based on the sanctity of life without a creator. We are the creators of our lives. Our actions create reality for us. By making good choices we learn to foster GOOD lifestyles, and by good I mean that which causes no suffering for others or relieves suffering of others.
It is a choice that we each must make
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Old 07-17-2012, 02:48 PM
 
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But wait, what if there is no creator? and from my point of view, that is not even a "what if" it is a "there IS NO creator"
That being said, Moral actions are beneficial to a person's wellbeing, bring pleasure without harm, whereas immoral actions have a victim, violate other's rights and bring pain and harm to the person. Furthermore, consider that man CAN choose based on the sanctity of life without a creator. We are the creators of our lives. Our actions create reality for us. By making good choices we learn to foster GOOD lifestyles, and by good I mean that which causes no suffering for others or relieves suffering of others.
It is a choice that we each must make
1. It is totally impossible that there isnt a personal theistic Creator for the personal NON material entities we enjoy as human beings such as : Abstract thinking, logic, reason, rationalizing, love, and consciousness because these qualities dont come from rocks, dirt, planets, hydrogen gas, or a very big explosion of materials. Further, the internal composition and workings of the DNA Molecule complete with definitive intelligent messages requires a Programmer/Designer/Engineer completely nullifying that of natural causes , chance , time, and luck.

2. How can the created be 'Creators of our own life' ? This is illogical . No effect can be the cause at the same time . Thats why the universe didnt create itself out of nothing too.

3. While it is true that moral actions bring pleasure to ourselves SOMETIMES, moral actions can also bring pain to ourselves in the case of telling the truth about someone yet having future ramifications to our admission. Immoral actions dont always have 'a victim' either ; oftentimes immoral actions can benefit ourselves or others such as a Mother lying in a Court of Law to save her Son from the death penalty for an offense commited.

4. Learning what fosters good lifestyles doesnt negate the fact that we already have a moral oughtness within our fibre ... a moral compass to which is (hopefully) enforced by our conscience. Where did this moral conscience come from ? Even a child of age 2 complains when a child of age 1 takes his toy from him . We are born with an innate sense of what is right from wrong.

5. IF there were no absolute moral laws, then we wouldnt know what is objectively right from wrong / we wouldnt try to hide the fact that we did something wrong when we do it / and our REactions to when we are morally violated by another wouldnt be one of indignance and vehement objection unless it was REALLY objectively wrong . Futher, civil rights are dependant on absolute moral laws by our Creator as well as political and social dissent . If there are no absolute objective moral laws, then Hitler wasnt objectively wrong for murdering millions of Jews and Christians because he actually thought he was doing society a favor as well as his supportive entourage .
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Old 07-17-2012, 03:29 PM
 
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It is dependent on the disregarding of a self. It is an afront to the self to ignore it at any time. All selfs are equal, to treat any self differently is immoral.
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Old 07-17-2012, 03:55 PM
 
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3. While it is true that moral actions bring pleasure to ourselves SOMETIMES, moral actions can also bring pain to ourselves in the case of telling the truth about someone yet having future ramifications to our admission. Immoral actions dont always have 'a victim' either ; oftentimes immoral actions can benefit ourselves or others such as a Mother lying in a Court of Law to save her Son from the death penalty for an offense commited.
Would we be able to relate the creator's view of right and wrong, to right and wrong, without having our own means for determining morality?

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Old 07-17-2012, 04:32 PM
 
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Simple: the society in question or under consideration.

Has nothing to do with a "creator." The concept of a "creator" will be fashioned later to underscore or give authority to the decision of the society.
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Old 07-17-2012, 07:27 PM
 
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Ethics are inflexible. Morals change based on who in control of a given social environment. Righteousness would be like a man having both a flawed moral compass with corrupted ethics. Some are fascinated with the idea of a creator. Many sick people would like to have sexual relations with their creator. This would be only because of sexual abuse in the church at the hands of the almighty father. He denies he has a mother yet, every child comes into this world through a woman.

The lesson, never play with the queen of hearts. Every god has lost his life playing with her heart. There is only one women who is feared by women and respected by men, Diana. Some believe she is a triple goddess. Men are helpless when they lose their mothers. The story of Penelope is much more tragic, many men have lost their lives at the hands of Telemachus playing with her heart. He was trained by his father Odysseus and Athena. When it comes to cunning, Odysseus was accused of being cruel by those who were guilty.

"Upon the Mother depend the winds, the ocean, the whole earth beneath the snowy seat of Olympus; whenever she leaves the mountains and climbs to the great vault of heaven, Zeus himself, the son of Cronus, makes way, and all the other immortal gods likewise make way for the dread goddess." (Describing Rhea) Her children, Hestia, Hades, Demeter, Poseidon, Hera and Zeus in that order.

Baruch Spinoza wrote "The Ethics" in philosophy. There is no Jew who is his equal.
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Old 07-18-2012, 11:22 AM
 
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Simple: the society in question or under consideration.

Has nothing to do with a "creator." The concept of a "creator" will be fashioned later to underscore or give authority to the decision of the society.
It has everything to do with a Creator since things like morals, ethics, intellect, logic, reason, love, rationalizing, discerning, and abstract thought didnt derive from materials as in a materialistic universe ... no matter how hard One tries . We as human beings are MUCH more than just a compilation of material and chemicals and a personal theistic Creator having the same non material attributes is absolutely necessary . To believe otherwise, is absurd to the highest degree regardless of how strong Ones pride and willful rebellion is toward the Creator not existing .
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