05-22-2011, 12:21 PM
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I am moving from IL to Phoenix on Tuesday. I am a single mom with 2 girls driving a 20 ft. Uhaul (packed to the gills) and pulling a van on a trailer behind it. Needless to say I'm pretty nervous!!!! I was planning to drive through Flagstaff and down, but someone told me they thought that was a really steep grade and I would be better off going through Tucson and up. Please tell me which way would be safest and easiest. Thanks SO much for your help!!!
05-22-2011, 01:51 PM
Location: Gilbert Arizona
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We drove our U Haul trailer down through Show Low, not Flagstaff and it was gorgeous but I was a nervous wreck with those mountain grades. The trailer is hard enough to pull and the mountains do add alot of stress to your driving. We moved last year from Indiana.
If someone says there are no hills coming through Tuscon ( i know there are none between Tuscon and Phoenix) then I would follow their advice and go that route.
Good luck and welcome to the Phoenix area
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05-22-2011, 02:02 PM
Location: Chicago,IL
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I am moving from IL to Phoenix on Tuesday. I am a single mom with 2 girls driving a 20 ft. Uhaul (packed to the gills) and pulling a van on a trailer behind it. Needless to say I'm pretty nervous!!!! I was planning to drive through Flagstaff and down, but someone told me they thought that was a really steep grade and I would be better off going through Tucson and up. Please tell me which way would be safest and easiest. Thanks SO much for your help!!!
Where in Illinois are you moving to Phoenix from? I'll be following you out there in 6 months (we have a projected move date of January)
Good luck with the drive, and come back and update on which route you took, so I know which way to go (or not go) based on your experience
05-22-2011, 08:46 PM
Location: Gilbert, AZ
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If you come thru Tucson.....you will be using I-10. Ive driven the I-10 many times as far east as Kerrville, Texas, and yeas its fairly flat. Some hills here and there but no insanely steep grades. However, I-10 runs very much south from where you are comming from, so you would have to figure a southern route to eventually merge with the 10.......I wanna say when we moved from Indiana to Texas we went thru Amarillo.......not sure what highway that would be to get you to the 10. I can say if you can get to the 10 around El Paso......its flat all the way to Phx pretty much besides Texas Canyon and thats just a short windy part of road just before Tucson and very scenic to boot......
05-23-2011, 08:53 PM
Location: Rural Michigan
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I've done both ways in loaded moving trucks - I did it once in a "van" style u-haul with a gas engine, and once in a 28 foot penske diesel truck...
The "van" style Uhaul had lots of horsepower & pulled a trailer (with a car on it) like it wasn't even there. The gas engine would downshift on hills and allow you to hold your speed, however, the temp gauge would climb if you kept if floored for too long... We took that one through Flagstaff without a problem...
The diesel 28-footer would lose speed as we climbed hills - we took the path through Tucson with that one, and there were still a couple of hills outside of Tucson where the truck slowed to 30 with the pedal floored... a little scary...
The brakes were great on both trucks, although they were smokin' a little bit on the Uhaul truck when we stopped for gas south of Flagstaff...
If I had to do it again, I'd insist on a truck with a gas engine, and I'd take the road through Flagstaff.. Turning south at Albuquerque adds several hours of driving to your trip. If it works for you, I'd try to find a place to sleep around ABQ, then you'll be "fresh" for the hills around Flagstaff...
Don't get discouraged, the speed limits climb as you get further west - so that by the time you get to New Mexico you can keep it floored and make really good time.
05-23-2011, 11:11 PM
Location: Waco, TX
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If you come in from the north, there will be steep grades on all 3 main routes: via Flagstaff (I-17), Payson (Hwy 87), and Show Low (Hwy 60). Coming up from Tucson (I-10) is flat, but if you are coming from Illinois, you are looking at adding 3-4 hours to your trip, because it is quite a ways out of the way. If you look at driving time from Albuquerque:
05-24-2011, 03:02 AM
Location: Rural Michigan
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If you come in from the north, there will be steep grades on all 3 main routes: via Flagstaff (I-17), Payson (Hwy 87), and Show Low (Hwy 60). .
Whatever you do, absolutely
do not try to come down the 60 in a moving truck... that's a white-knuckle ride in a regular car, much less a moving truck...
http://youtu.be/ab0TkoCRiqg
05-24-2011, 05:39 AM
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Hello hipnhumble.
I brought down a 20 foot fully loaded trailer from MN not long ago. The path I chose was from 35 south to Iowa and then cross over using highway 80 (though Nebraska and into Colorado). From 80 I crossed over to 76 (a cut off) which took me into into Denver (no tolls that direction). I then hooked into 25 south through Colorado Springs and all the way into Albuquerque NM. Next I went West on 40 (past 200 Indian Casinos which somehow were all busy) and into flagstaff.
The total trip took me 28 hours of drive time and I made it in 50 hours (2 days and 2 hours with 2 nights of sleep).
I was warned by friend of the Colorado elevation. That was child's play.
The most sever portion of that trip was the drive down from Flagstaff. But I didn't have one ounce of concern when I was driving. The truck had plenty of torque for the hills and the braked didn't struggle at all.
But. Unlike you, the
big differnce was that I didn't have a van behind me . That could be a game changer. If I was you, I'd call a UHaul dealer in Flagstaff and see what they think.
A few tips. Don't forget to hit the trailer haul button. In New Mexico on highway 25 for instance, the truck struggled when I left it in overdrive so I hit the button. Going in and out of overdrive will overheat the transmission. With a van behind you, expect to remove the overdrive it all the time. Also. I down shifted letting the engine help me slow down on the longer declines. With a van behind me, I'd definately go under the speed limit and make sure I didn't always have my feet on the brake 100% of the time. Don't be afraid to pull over and let the brakes cool down. But in general, there were only 3 or 4 longer drops that I had to ride the brakes more than I preferred. It's NOT like it is a struggle all of the way down. If you specifically went out of your way on to downshift and then pulled over a couple of times to let the brakes cool out of paranoia on those two steeper hills, I would do it with a van on the back.
There was a couple of other wide areas south of Santa Fee NM that I also needed to downshift. So I would say a total of 6-8 small stretches made me downshift. Remember, the UHaul is a BIG airdrag. That helps out a lot from having the truck want to accelerate going down the hills.
Worse case. If you become scared to death because you feel the brakes struggling (and you smell them), disconnect the van at a rest stop in Flagstaff and drive down without it (still having the trailer). Then have a friend drive you up to the rest stop (3 hour drive back up) and take the van home. But I highly doubt that you will have an issue if you down shift and you take your time. After about an hour of driving out of flagstaff, you won't run into any declines that make you break. So it's only an hour of your trip where you need to be be conscientious of how often you break and when to downshift into drive 3 on the automatic transmission.
I hope this helps.
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05-24-2011, 06:06 AM
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A few other tips. UHaul typically has different tires on their trucks. What that means is the speed limit is off. the spedo
and miles were off 6%! I checked the speed with my GPS. The GPS said 66 but the UHaul spedo said 70. I got 2000 miles in the quoted price which was more than I needed. But think about it.... UHaul charges 45 cents a mile and that truck (with the wrong tires) is a money maker. People also think they are getting better gas mileage AND people are actually going slower which is safer for the UHaul.
Another point. My MN UHhaul sales person said most car insurance companies don't insure a
TRUCK rental. I asked him 5 different ways as I declined it (out of suspicion). They were wrong. I asked State Farm and I was covered. Nearly all do. It's a scam to sell insurance.
Also. The contract reads "Uhauls are not water proof, they are water resistant". You guessed it, my truck wasn't water proof. It ruined a piece of furniture. UHaul said they water tested it and it was perfect. I asked, "did you test it with 4 thousand pound load at 70 MPH of rain hitting it'? She said "they know how to test it".
In summary, next time I'm going Budget Truck Rental. I'm not done with UHaul yet.
05-24-2011, 07:06 AM
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I moved back to the Phoenix area from the east coast with a moving truck and pulling my car. No major problems other than learning that you need to give yourself extra time to brake, you cannot back up (so always pick a gas station or restaurant that you can just pull through) and I should have packed a little better. Whenever I hit a bumpy road the moving van would rock sideways a little bit and it took extra concentration to not freak out and keep driving through it.
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People in Group quarters - Hospices or homes for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Military hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Other hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals or wards for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Mental (Psychiatric) hospitals or wards (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the deaf (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the blind (%)
People in Group quarters - Orthopedic wards and institutions for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in general hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in military hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Juvenile institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Long-term care (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for abused, dependent, and neglected children (%)
People in Group quarters - Residential treatment centers for emotionally disturbed children (%)
People in Group quarters - Training schools for juvenile delinquents (%)
People in Group quarters - Short-term care, detention or diagnostic centers for delinquent children (%)
People in Group quarters - Type of juvenile institution unknown (%)
People in Group quarters - Noninstitutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - College dormitories (includes college quarters off campus) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - On base (%)
People in Group quarters - Barracks, unaccompanied personnel housing (UPH), (Enlisted/Officer), ;and similar group living quarters for military personnel (%)
People in Group quarters - Transient quarters for temporary residents (%)
People in Group quarters - Military ships (%)
People in Group quarters - Group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes or halfway houses for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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