05-26-2011, 12:31 AM
Location: When will Hell Freeze Phoenix, AZ
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My house has an old AC unit that will have to be replaced soon and I would like a cooler installed, too. So I was thinking of a evap cooler/AC unit instead of 2 seperate units. Anyone have experience with these type of piggy back units? For some reason i can't even find any information on them at all. Any info you can give me would be much appreciated thanks!
05-26-2011, 11:40 AM
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They probably don't make them any more. Goettl made them for years and they were a mess. Corrosion and leakage of refrigeration galore. I don't think there is much going on with evap coolers in residential applications anymore, unless you have cigarette smokers in the house and are trying to blow out smoke. New ac's are so efficient that it's not worth all the expense and trouble of having evap, too. Take your cooler budget (They're not cheap to buy and install) and upgrade the AC to a super high efficiency model with a 10 year parts and labor warranty. Or new windows. Or more attic insulation. IMHO
Last edited by BabsJohnson; 05-26-2011 at 12:36 PM ..
05-26-2011, 03:52 PM
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I spent 79 on a Master Flow attic fan, and it seems to make a big difference. I am cooling with evap only, and my electric bills are very low. I've used 170 Kwh since 4 May.
05-27-2011, 11:25 PM
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Problem with the evap. cooler is that they should not be used in the Monsoon season which is really the worst time of the year needing air conditioning. Evap. coolers only really work, when the air is dry. The old combo units, are so outdated with modern air conditioning, they are no longer made, and as said earlier caused more problems than they were worth.
05-30-2011, 03:57 PM
Location: When will Hell Freeze Phoenix, AZ
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I love evap coolers. Not during Monsoon season but when its dry. I like the fresh air coming in and how cold it gets when the windows are opened. And I have heard about how efficient the new AC units are these days as well has how much of a hassle the piggyback ac/cooler units are (were). Right now I think I'll save up my money for when I 'll need a new AC, and all for new windows. Thanks you all for your help!
07-09-2011, 07:00 PM
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I put in a evap cooler 2 years ago. It is not piggy backed but connected in to the ac duct work. The cooler, motor, purge pump, master cool themostat (evap is not master cool), roof jack, auto damper, duct work (flex, collars, tape, straps..) was just under $1000. I had a evap in the garage for 12 years and i used it to cool the house it rusted out. I found the cooler in the garage cooled the house so when it was time to replace it i put the new one on the roof. they are just not for smokers bro !!!! I LOVE THE FRESH MOIST AIR. Living in phx az it is so dry.
07-09-2011, 07:07 PM
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I turned on my AC when the humidity went up here in Phoenix. my power usage had increased 3 to 4 times with the ac on. I hate the ac, house closed up all the time, like living in a cave. I have an attached garage and have a security screen door on the door from the house to the garage. When the evap cooler is on the solid door from the house to the garage is open, screen door closed. The air goes from the evap, thru the house, out the door into the garage, then up in to the attic and out the attic vents. So the air is cooling my house, garage, and attic for pennys a day. It is a choice of what i like, i can afford to run the ac, but i prefer the comfort of the evap. as soon as i get uncomfortable with the temps coming out of the evap i turn on the ac.
07-09-2011, 09:20 PM
Location: Southern Arizona
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Quote:
Originally Posted by
once-upon-chicago
My house has an old AC unit that will have to be replaced soon and I would like a cooler installed, too. So I was thinking of a evap cooler/AC unit instead of 2 seperate units. Anyone have experience with these type of piggy back units? For some reason i can't even find any information on them at all. Any info you can give me would be much appreciated thanks!
I had "dual cooling" (two separate units, a MasterCool Evaporative Cooler and an Amana 5 Ton Heat Pump) installed when I purchased my home back in the late 90's and the performance has been better than great.
07-11-2011, 09:42 AM
Location: Southeast Valley
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Reputation: 798
Several years ago I had both A/C and evap, and loved it. My plants really loved the evap.
07-11-2011, 09:45 AM
Location: Sonoran Desert
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Reputation: 28322
I had a Goettl piggyback for years. Loved it. It is a shame that we have gone to all AC. I don't think you are going to find one these days, but you could put on a separate cooler. Even a big window unit would do the the job on smaller houses. Just pick a window that is not next to your favorite chair! It gets way too cold. I have a cooler on my patio that works well. It is where the prying eyes of the HOA patrol can't see it.
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Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
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Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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