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Old 08-04-2014, 11:46 AM
 
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'With Phoenix losing 3.2% of its population since ’07, the nearby former boomtowns of Mesa and Scottsdale have also seen net outflows of residents.

America's Fastest-Growing Cities Since The Recession | Newgeography.com

It's clear they're doing something right in TX, CO, and CA for those looking for jobs, affordable housing, and good schools.
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Old 08-04-2014, 11:53 AM
 
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I'm wondering what compelled you to post an article that's outdated by over a year. [mod cut-- off topic]

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Old 08-04-2014, 11:53 AM
 
Location: Phoenix metro
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Well, we were also one of the fastest-growing regions up until then. I think Phoenix will rebound again.
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Old 08-04-2014, 12:02 PM
 
Location: Amongst the AZ Cactus
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Let's put this all in perspective.

Article says Scottsdale, Mesa, and Phoenix have lost some population. But the Phoenix metro has been growing/increasing population for some time now. This is from the 2010 census:

Census: Phoenix-area population tops 4.3 million, moves up metro rankings - Phoenix Business Journal

And 2012 data is mentioned:

"The federal agency puts the population of metro Phoenix at just under 4.33 million in 2012, up from 4.19 million in 2010, when Phoenix ranked 14th"

So this states from 2010-12, Phoenix/Scottsdale/Mesa increased in population.....so....what's up?

And outlying suburbs are some of the fastest growing cities in the country, including Goodyear and Gilbert:

Goodyear, Gilbert among nation's fastest growing | azfamily.com Phoenix

So perhaps we are just shifting people from older valley cities to some of the newer parts of the valley? Mostly out of state? A little of both?

Gotta love statistics.

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Old 08-04-2014, 12:11 PM
 
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Scottsdale's population has not declined at all according to this: http://www.scottsdaleaz.gov/Assets/P...mographics.pdf

The OP's link just states an anecdote without any statistics to back it up.
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Old 08-04-2014, 12:11 PM
 
Location: Hard aground in the Sonoran Desert
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New growth spurt for Valley

America's Fastest Growing Cities - Forbes

Phoenix (city) QuickFacts from the US Census Bureau

Population, percent change, April 1, 2010 to July 1, 2013 4.5%
Population, percent change, April 1, 2010 to July 1, 2012 2.8%

Where Phoenix ranks among fastest-growing cities - Phoenix Business Journal
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Old 08-04-2014, 12:21 PM
 
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I'm wondering what compelled you to post an article that's outdated by over a year.
Your bias is obviously showing ... again. It's a response to a tweet published by a NY Times publisher today ... https://twitter.com/NickTimiraos/sta...28448558628864.

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That one is more current. Read it and weep.

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Old 08-04-2014, 12:25 PM
 
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Your bias is obviously showing ... again. It's a response to a tweet published by a NY Times publisher today ... https://twitter.com/NickTimiraos/sta...28448558628864.


That one is more current. Read it and weep.
It doesn't change the fact that the article that you based this thread on is over a year old. [orphaned]

I have nothing to weep about either way. [orphaned] . The bias is trolling a forum of a place that you clearly don't like, posting outdated derogatory articles for your own enjoyment.

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Old 08-04-2014, 12:27 PM
 
Location: Chandler, Arizona
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It is not surprising the population trend in Phoenix proper followed the housing and construction bubble (though the stats in the article are debatable). Construction became a large percent of the local economy, and people left when those jobs dissipated. We also know that immigration became net 0 (as many people leaving the country as were coming in).
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Old 08-04-2014, 12:35 PM
 
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Originally Posted by stevek64 View Post
Let's put this all in perspective.

Article says Scottsdale, Mesa, and Phoenix have lost some population. But the Phoenix metro has been growing/increasing population for some time now. This is from the 2010 census:

Census: Phoenix-area population tops 4.3 million, moves up metro rankings - Phoenix Business Journal

And 2012 data is mentioned:

"The federal agency puts the population of metro Phoenix at just under 4.33 million in 2012, up from 4.19 million in 2010, when Phoenix ranked 14th"

So this states from 2010-12, Phoenix/Scottsdale/Mesa increased in population.....so....what's up?
The difference in years measured. Yours is 2010 - 2012, the other was 2007 - 2012. This tells me that with the 'growth' of .14 million (2010 - 2012) yet decline over 2007 - 2012 it's working itself out of a hole. There appears to be a considerable population decline back in the 2005 - 2010 period to explain it:

https://www.city-data.com/city/Phoenix-Arizona.html


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And outlying suburbs are some of the fastest growing cities in the country, including Goodyear and Gilbert:

Goodyear, Gilbert among nation's fastest growing | azfamily.com Phoenix

So perhaps we are just shifting people from older valley cities to some of the newer parts of the valley? Mostly out of state? A little of both?

Gotta love statistics.
Could be.
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