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Old 02-12-2015, 10:41 AM
 
Location: Surprise, Az
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Good move by Ducey. Douglas will most likely be recalled. The my point still stands, she was elected only because of that (R).
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Old 02-12-2015, 10:46 AM
 
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Good move by Ducey. Douglas will most likely be recalled. The my point still stands, she was elected only because of that (R).
Absolutely. She's a complete nutbag but was good at parroting the Tea Party's sound bites. A blind person could see that David Garcia was the far better fit.
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Old 02-12-2015, 10:48 AM
 
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Good ole Libertarian Arizona....

Arizona Senate committee approves abortion restrictions
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Old 02-12-2015, 10:51 AM
 
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this stuff bugs the crap outta me...
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Old 02-12-2015, 10:56 AM
 
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this stuff bugs the crap outta me...
Ditto. I'm beginning to realize that we are FAR less "live and let live" than we claim to be. It seems Arizonans actually like government intrusion as long as it isn't related to guns. We seem hypocritical.
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Old 02-12-2015, 11:34 AM
 
Location: Queen Creek, AZ
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Phoenix and Flag are Liberal, the rest of Arizona is conservative. And when I say conservative, I mean they are only concerned with guns and little else. The gun fixation is so peculiar.
Phoenix isn't that liberal; in fact they are almost evenly split (purple). Tucson is bluer (more liberal) than Phoenix. In the Phoenix area, Tempe is light blue. Chandler, Scottsdale, and Glendale are pink (moderately conservative), while Gilbert, Mesa, and Peoria are red (conservative).
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Old 02-12-2015, 12:56 PM
 
Location: Leaving, California
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Wow, I'm beginning to wonder if I need to start asterisking everything that the Arizona Republic publishes.

The bill is not about abortion restrictions. It's about public funding for abortions, and it requires doctors to perform abortions to have admitting privileges at local hospitals.

So basically anyone in favor of public funding for abortions will be opposed. I'm fine with abortion as a right, so I don't see that as the issue. However, how does that relate to the question of public funding for abortion? I'm not asking this as a religious conservative (I'm not especially religious, and I'm far more libertarian than conservative), but out of real curiosity.

I fundamentally believe that rights are permission to act, not a guarantee that government will fund the act. An African-American family could exercise their right to buy a house under the Fair Housing Act. They have a right to buy the house, so it's reasonable for the State to protect that right. However, as a society, should we buy the house for them? A person with disabilities has the right to equal access to services under the ADA. However, as a society, should we buy those services for them? If so, why? If not, why not?

Or speaking to the issue of public funding for abortion, many people are fundamentally opposed to abortion (for personal reasons, religious reasons, social reasons, parental concerns, or what have you). However, they're willing to tolerate abortions as long as they're not paying for it. Why is public funding for abortion considered a reasonable thing?

The admitting privileges clause is designed to ensure that women who encounter problems with an abortion procedure can be treated by the doctor who created the problem. It seems to me that this ensures women are treated like human beings getting a medical procedure, not just dumped on emergency rooms if a problem arises. Some might claim that's a de facto restriction on abortion rights, but in the same way that I'm in favor of reasonable restrictions on gun rights (I support background checks, registration, and other "limitations" on gun ownership - the air quotes are because I don't see those as dramatically limiting access to firearms), I am in favor of making abortion services into a medical procedure that is handled professionally.

I'd be surprised if anyone seriously disagreed with the idea that, as a medical procedure, it should be handled by someone who can also handle potentially life-threatening side effects. But I'm open to instruction here. Why would someone be opposed to that?
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Old 02-12-2015, 01:17 PM
 
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Cathi Herrod is behind it. Enough said. Now that gay marriage is legal in AZ, the bible thumpers need something to meddle with. The whole giving, helping and charity thing isn't time consuming enough.
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Old 02-12-2015, 01:44 PM
 
Location: Leaving, California
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Cathi Herrod is behind it. Enough said. Now that gay marriage is legal in AZ, the bible thumpers need something to meddle with. The whole giving, helping and charity thing isn't time consuming enough.
In my opinion, ad hominem politics are part of the problem we face as a society. I don't really care who's behind a sensible piece of legislation. If a law makes something legal or illegal, the better question is whether it's reasonable for our culture, lawful within the Constitution, and in the public good.

I like Richard Petty. If he sponsored a law to require a full and complete stop at every corner and crosswalk, regardless of whether there's a traffic signal or stop sign, I'd be opposed on reasonableness.

I like Tina Fey. If she sponsored a law to require that every person must gather in public once a year and sing a song praising the government, I'd be opposed on culture and lawfulness.

I like Toby Keith. If he sponsored a law saying that everyone needs to eat Slim Jims and Velveeta twice a day, I'd be opposed on so many levels that I'd run out of words.

We're also terribly polarized. Let's say President Obama says the Sun has risen in the east. Half of the country would look out the window before they agreed. The other half would claim anyone who looked out the window is racist.
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Old 02-12-2015, 01:49 PM
 
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Cathi Herrod is behind it and it's a garbage piece of legislation. Better? The bill would prohibit any insurance policy purchased through the healthcare exchange from covering an abortion procedure. We're not talking about Medicaid here.
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