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I am normally quiet and in bed early but now that I know we might be neighbours it's time to turn it up a little!!!!! Joking of course.
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Originally Posted by Ponderosa
They're like ants at a picnic in Estrella. They bought up a lot of the houses when their dollar was high and the prices were low, so you probably will find them in the growth areas of town that were smacked hard in the recession. Before the recession we never saw any of them in Estrella. Homes were, for the most part, occupied by owners who lived here full time. Now, a significant fraction are seasonal and the snowbirds - not just from Canada - flock to them in winter and they are empty the rest of the year. I have some empty houses around me in summer and more privacy. It's nice in that way.
Bostonian. Canadians are really very nice in the aggregate. I got a couple bad apples. The worst tourists (or transplants) I know are from Chicago. People from Illinois and Chicago in particular can never shut up about how much better everything is back there. They are the worst to be around, for sure. Talking to them leaves one wondering why they ever left. I'd take a dozen Canadians over one Chicagoan.
They can be a loud lot! They seem to be pretty friendly overall, though. I work with 2 ex-Chicagoans, and they are very reserved people. In fact, our neighbor dead across the street is from Illinois, and he is one of the most sincere men Ive ever met. A true definition of a "good neighbor". I have been around a few that bragged about Chicago and how "great it was", but in all honesty, they had legit points. I think it bothers us Phoenicians when they (or people from elsewhere) brag, because we dont have the things they do. Its no different then when I call back east in winter and brag about our 70 degree temps. They get defensive then, too, and it annoys them. I think its no different. I loved being in Chicago, and would go back in a heartbeat. It kind of sucks coming back here, because even though I love PHX, I can see why they brag. PHX does come up short in many areas. But they should embrace it here. After all, they moved here!
They're like ants at a picnic in Estrella. They bought up a lot of the houses when their dollar was high and the prices were low, so you probably will find them in the growth areas of town that were smacked hard in the recession. Before the recession we never saw any of them in Estrella. Homes were, for the most part, occupied by owners who lived here full time. Now, a significant fraction are seasonal and the snowbirds - not just from Canada - flock to them in winter and they are empty the rest of the year. I have some empty houses around me in summer and more privacy. It's nice in that way.
Let me see if I have this right... Back when you bought in Estella, the homes were full with all year long residents. Then the economy tanked and the bottom fell out. The Canucks and not-quite-ready snowbird bought up a lot of properties. Without them, the housing would have tanked even more causing more turmoil. They came with CASH and they bailed your arses out. They weren't investors that rented out the property exclusively for ROI but rather people who transformed the blight and property negligent. They blew thousands on paint, landscape, etc. I'd love to post the before and after pictures of our place but I value my privacy.
So the net-net is you increased your piece-and-quiet quotient for more than 6 months a year with people that take care of their place. You somehow put everyone in the same bucket because of your party neighbors. Meanwhile our Canuck neighbor neighbors are nice and mature. You lost the lottery and got a reject neighbors. Unfortunately I have a set of white-trash bunch that moved by us that are native Arizonians. They happen to be renting. But now you see an out of state licence plate and would like to see them gone? Would you rather have someone living there year round? Cause people aren't going to buy up your deserted Estrella homes, fix them up and not use them.
I'm kind of slow but I see holes on your logic that I could drive your RV though! In fact, now that you are retired, aren't you part of the geezer problem? Ponderosa, I always like your logic. But in the category, your logical mind is broken. Please explain cause I am really confused!
Last edited by MN-Born-n-Raised; 03-04-2015 at 09:29 AM..
They can be a loud lot! They seem to be pretty friendly overall, though. I work with 2 ex-Chicagoans, and they are very reserved people. In fact, our neighbor dead across the street is from Illinois, and he is one of the most sincere men Ive ever met. A true definition of a "good neighbor". I have been around a few that bragged about Chicago and how "great it was", but in all honesty, they had legit points. I think it bothers us Phoenicians when they (or people from elsewhere) brag, because we dont have the things they do. Its no different then when I call back east in winter and brag about our 70 degree temps. They get defensive then, too, and it annoys them. I think its no different. I loved being in Chicago, and would go back in a heartbeat. It kind of sucks coming back here, because even though I love PHX, I can see why they brag. PHX does come up short in many areas. But they should embrace it here. After all, they moved here!
Phoenix comes up short in areas that a lot of people who live in Chicago never, ever make use of in the first place. It's the same thing with New York people; you talk to them, they brag about how they miss all of the amenities, then you find out after a while that they live 40 miles away in a far suburb, and only go to the city once or twice a year; less than a lot of tourists who vacation there. But they suddenly miss the amenities.
I lived in Lake Forest, which is as nice as any community can get, so much that every time I am back there, it seems like a parody. But even then I remember people having this weird thing, sort of like New Yorkers, that made them talk about everything that Chicago has to offer, even though they virtually never ventured down to the city.
I think it's exactly the opposite phenomenon when people move to Phoenix and complain that it's boring and has all chain restaurants and big box stores. You can travel the entire United States and claim the same thing about many suburban areas around any city.
Let me see if I have this right... Back when you bought in Estella, the homes were full with all year long residents. Then the economy tanked and the bottom fell out. The Canucks and not-quite-ready snowbird bought up a lot of properties. Without them, the housing would have tanked even more causing more turmoil. They came with CASH and they bailed your arses out. They weren't investors that rented out the property exclusively for ROI but rather people who transformed the blight and property negligent. They blew thousands on paint, landscape, etc. I'd love to post the before and after pictures of our place but I value my privacy.
So the net-net is you increased your piece-and-quiet quotient for more than 6 months a year with people that take care of their place. You somehow put everyone in the same bucket because of your party neighbors. Meanwhile our Canuck neighbor neighbors are nice and mature. You lost the lottery and got a reject neighbors. Unfortunately I have a set of white-trash bunch that moved by us that are native Arizonians. They happen to be renting. But now you see an out of state licence plate and would like to see them gone? Would you rather have someone living there year round? Cause people aren't going to buy up your deserted Estrella homes, fix them up and not use them.
I'm kind of slow but I see holes on your logic that I could drive your RV though! In fact, now that you are retired, aren't you part of the geezer problem? Ponderosa, I always like your logic. But in the category, your logical mind is broken. Please explain cause I am really confused!
I don't know what your point is. I am sick of them crowding everything like most of the people are here ( and in MN) are by the end of a "season". That's all.
The idea that I ought to be thankful for them for "saving" my neighborhood or the Phoenix area, for that matter, is unadulterated sophistry. Don't hurt yourself patting your own back. We would have recovered with or without you. You all were a drop in the economic bucket and the drivers are much greater than a relative handful of snowbirds who bought cheap. Maybe my post made it sound like every other house is an absentee snowbird owner. It's not. There are very few relative to the number of homes here. I am blessed to have one behind me, I guess.
Over the longer term, I expect most of the Canucks to sell and profit off the exchange rates. Many of the other early bird owners will as well, I think, from my own experience. I tried the long distance vacation home thing myself a few years ago and learned it was just too much expense and hassle for the enjoyment it provides. It is better to just rent something or RV or just move here and start afresh.
I don't know what your point is. I am sick of them crowding everything like most of the people are here ( and in MN) are by the end of a "season". That's all.
The idea that I ought to be thankful for them for "saving" my neighborhood or the Phoenix area, for that matter, is unadulterated sophistry. Don't hurt yourself patting your own back. We would have recovered with or without you. You all were a drop in the economic bucket and the drivers are much greater than a relative handful of snowbirds who bought cheap. Maybe my post made it sound like every other house is an absentee snowbird owner. It's not. There are very few relative to the number of homes here. I am blessed to have one behind me, I guess.
Over the longer term, I expect most of the Canucks to sell and profit off the exchange rates. Many of the other early bird owners will as well, I think, from my own experience. I tried the long distance vacation home thing myself a few years ago and learned it was just too much expense and hassle for the enjoyment it provides. It is better to just rent something or RV or just move here and start afresh.
I thought my post was completely clear. Yet your response was about me patting myself on the back etc. The post was about your logic. The irony is you are retired so you are now a geezer and you bark about the retirees. You use to have neighbors year round and now you traded for people that use it less than 1/2 time. You go up to your lake place and God only knows the locals don't appreciate you plugging things up. I think I read in your words you somehow traded down in the caliber of your neighbors. The new ones didn't go bankrupt and they are successful enough to have a good deal of play money. I'll take them any day!
Re: the recovery. Let's revisit how it worked... I put the word CASH in capital letters for a reason. If everyone borrowed money, then they worked off of sliding comparables. With the new lending laws, people who borrowed money had to prove someone paid more but it cannot be proven without someone paying "too much" (a.k.a. cash). So yes, the small group of people who paid CASH saved (at least a portion) of the PHX RE arse. You have a short memory. Certainly investors paid cash. BUt they put the minimum amount of $$'s to boost ROI. They don't give a damn about what class of folks they rent to. They don't want to paint their house as there isn't a pride of ownership. I can go on and on. Your welcome.
Now. If you say "I want less people at all costs". Fine. That's logical.
Last edited by MN-Born-n-Raised; 03-04-2015 at 11:09 AM..
I thought my post was completely clear. Yet your response was about me patting myself on the back etc. The post was about your logic. The irony is you are retired so you are now a geezer and you bark about the retirees. You use to have neighbors year round and now you traded for people that use it less than 1/2 time. You go up to your lake place and God only knows the locals don't appreciate you plugging things up. I think I read in your words you somehow traded down in the caliber of your neighbors. The new ones didn't go bankrupt and they are successful enough to have a good deal of play money. I'll take them any day!
Re: the recovery. Let's revisit how it worked... I put the word CASH in capital letters for a reason. If everyone borrowed money, then they worked off of sliding comparables. With the new lending laws, people who borrowed money had to prove someone paid more but it cannot be proven without someone paying "too much" (a.k.a. cash). So yes, the small group of people who paid CASH saved (at least a portion) of the PHX RE arse. You have a short memory. Certainly investors paid cash. BUt they put the minimum amount of $$'s to boost ROI. They don't give a damn about what class of folks they rent to. They don't want to paint their house as there isn't a pride of ownership. I can go on and on. Your welcome.
Now. If you say "I want less people at all costs". Fine. That's logical.
It's not irony; it is the inevitability of aging. I did my time here in Arizona. I came here as an early 20-something, attended college here, made a career right here, paid my taxes, raised my kids, and bade my time waiting for the day when I could enjoy what the state has to offer. But the carpetbagging retirees who gave their time, talents and money to other states have swarmed over those places, have driven politics off the right side of the road, and turned my state into a joke while destroying the economy by turning off younger people, scaring away immigrants, and discouraging corporations from locating anything but warehouses here. Frankly, I think that while less of them at all costs may be too extreme, fewer of them at some cost would be a deal I would jump at.
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Ponderosa, I always like your logic. But in the category, your logical mind is broken. Please explain cause I am really confused! 
