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Old 12-30-2015, 11:51 AM
 
Location: Prescott Valley, AZ
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The state is very invested in quiet asphalt. I'm sure it will just be the same as the other freeways, rubberized asphalt.
I've noticed that while driving here last summer, the roads are quiet even compared to normal pavement. There wasn't any concrete roads from what I remembered. Anyways, its good this project is moving ahead and looking forward to driving through it in the future.
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Old 12-30-2015, 12:10 PM
 
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Calm down a little. People don't go to jail if they are sued, even successfully. As JG notes, they did what they had a right to do.




Well said re: the litigation.


The reservation provides a big buffer for any more "sprawl" in Pinal County, except on the far east end of the Valley. I don't think we are going to see anything like the sprawl that happened before the big crash, in those areas where construction can occur.
But what we are seeing is that many of the reservations are leasing land to create amenities. I think that will happen. It's a gold mine for them and they will rightly take advantage of it like what we've see on the 101 north in Scottsdale. I think this is a win win for both parties.
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Old 12-30-2015, 01:35 PM
 
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I've noticed that while driving here last summer, the roads are quiet even compared to normal pavement. There wasn't any concrete roads from what I remembered. Anyways, its good this project is moving ahead and looking forward to driving through it in the future.
Pretty much all of the highways, definitely all of the new ones, are actually concrete then they "pave" the concrete with rubberized asphalt which was pioneered in Phoenix back in the 60's.

It's basically normal asphalt with crumb rubber made from recycled tires mixed in, which is supposed to make the road quieter. It's kind of strange seeing a brand-new beautiful concrete ribbon of highway being paved over with asphalt. The rubberized asphalt is quieter, but it will breakdown quicker and need to be replaced a lot sooner than the the concrete.
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Old 12-30-2015, 01:54 PM
 
Location: Phoenix, AZ
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Is there any proof the rubberized asphalt is any quieter than concrete? I haven't noticed CA cities using the stuff on their concrete freeways. Correct me if I'm wrong.

http://www.fhwa.dot.gov/livability/c...udies/arizona/

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Old 12-30-2015, 02:05 PM
 
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Is there any proof the rubberized asphalt is any quieter than concrete? I haven't noticed CA cities using the stuff on their concrete freeways. Correct me if I'm wrong.
I thought I might have seen or heard of some studies where the decibels are reduced somewhat, but by what amount, I'm not sure.
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Old 12-30-2015, 03:36 PM
 
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Is there any proof the rubberized asphalt is any quieter than concrete? I haven't noticed CA cities using the stuff on their concrete freeways. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Arizona - Case Studies - Livability - FHWA
I don't care what any study shows, I've noticed the difference. In South Florida, they use concrete and the road noise is noticeably different to the point I thought there was something wrong with my tires or vehicle. We we go north to Orlando, where they use rubberized asphalt, my car and ride suddenly feels quiet like it did in Arizona.
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Old 12-30-2015, 03:53 PM
 
Location: Centennial, CO
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I thought I might have seen or heard of some studies where the decibels are reduced somewhat, but by what amount, I'm not sure.


From Associated Construction Publications - Silence Please


Rubberized asphalt reduces noise, helps environment


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"In 2003 the Arizona Department of Transportation began a three-year, $34-million Quiet Pavement Pilot Program, in cooperation with the Federal Highway Administration to determine if sound walls can be replaced by rubberized asphalt to reduce noise alongside highways. After about one year it was determined that asphalt rubber overlays resulted in up to 12 decibels of in road noise reduction, with a typical reduction of 7 to 9 decibels."

A 7 to 9 decibel reduction in noise is pretty significant.
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Old 12-30-2015, 05:44 PM
 
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A 7 to 9 decibel reduction in noise is pretty significant.
Especially since decibels (dB) are logarithmic.
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Old 12-30-2015, 10:41 PM
 
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ADOT and FHWA are still being sued by PARC. Nothing is final until the lawsuit is settled this spring. Even if PARC were to lose, they could easily appeal the ruling, further delaying construction of the freeway. The SMF will definitely take traffic off of the 10, but the 10 will still be a nightmare. Most commuting traffic will have no need for the SMF, except for the few who live on the west side an work in the SE valley. The fact that the 202 SMF will tie into the 10 at 55th Avenue will just cause the current evening jam that normally loosens up by 51st Avenue to intensify as trucks just pour back onto the 10.
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Old 12-31-2015, 06:35 AM
 
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ADOT and FHWA are still being sued by PARC. Nothing is final until the lawsuit is settled this spring. Even if PARC were to lose, they could easily appeal the ruling, further delaying construction of the freeway. The SMF will definitely take traffic off of the 10, but the 10 will still be a nightmare. Most commuting traffic will have no need for the SMF, except for the few who live on the west side an work in the SE valley. The fact that the 202 SMF will tie into the 10 at 55th Avenue will just cause the current evening jam that normally loosens up by 51st Avenue to intensify as trucks just pour back onto the 10.
Idk if id say they could easily appeal it. The Circuit Court is in San Francisco and judging by the firm used by PARC they aren't operating on an unlimited budget. Unlike ADOT.

They wrapped up pre trial conferences a few days ago, that's when they discuss the case and a timeline for discovery. The fact that ADOT came out with this info means that at some level the merits of the cases are being revealed. Motions for Summary Judment take place in Jan Feb and March. If PARC has a weak case ADOT will win that motion and we can move on.

As for the 10 I agree at some level, but as trucks would be redirected it would have a tremendous effect on loosening inner city traffic.
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