Scottsdale City Council Quashes Light Rail Proposals (Phoenix, Tempe: living in, retired)

[BIG CATS]

Originally Posted by Java Jolt

It's not just me.

Scottsdale has a national reputation of being snooty and discriminatory against people who don't drive high-end vehicles or don't look or dress a certain way.

It wasn't named Arizona's South Beach for nothing.

It was named after SB because of the party scene, not the snottiness.

[theoaks]

Originally Posted by BIG CATS

Oh, look! More assumptions. You guys are something else.

Money for light rail in the phoenix area should go to education and hiring more teachers !

DiCiccio: Vote

"Education is the highest priority in our city. This tax increase will take money away from education. One mile of rail could pay the salaries of over 2,900 teachers. Phoenix must first get its financial house and restore fiscal responsibility and accountability."

That's what he said. It certainly appears that light rail is a result of the unions from back east like McCarthy Building Company and their attempt to sneak into Phoenix and Scottsdale. Scottsdale is mostly Democrat residents but the city council is 5 Republicans so for now it is stopped.

[exit2lef]

Originally Posted by theoaks

Money for light rail in the phoenix area should go to education and hiring more teachers !

DiCiccio: Vote

"Education is the highest priority in our city. This tax increase will take money away from education. One mile of rail could pay the salaries of over 2,900 teachers. Phoenix must first get its financial house and restore fiscal responsibility and accountability."

That's what he said. It certainly appears that light rail is a result of the unions from back east like McCarthy Building Company and their attempt to sneak into Phoenix and Scottsdale. Scottsdale is mostly Democrat residents but the city council is 5 Republicans so for now it is stopped.

Transit and schools are funded by separate entities from separate revenue sources. One doesn't necessarily compete with the other. It's possible to support increased (or decreased) funding for both transit and schools. Also, I doubt very much that Scottsdale is populated by mostly Democratic voters. Not only is its city council 100% Republican, so is the delegation that District 23, which includes most of Scottsdale, sends to the state legislature. At the Congressional level, conservative Republican David Schweikert represents most of the city. I don't think a mostly Democratic city would vote for so many Republicans, several of them of the tea party persuasion.

[Pink Jazz]

Originally Posted by exit2lef

Transit and schools are funded by separate entities from separate revenue sources. One doesn't necessarily compete with the other. It's possible to support increased (or decreased) funding for both transit and schools. Also, I doubt very much that Scottsdale is populated by mostly Democratic voters. Not only is its city council 100% Republican, so is the delegation that District 23, which includes most of Scottsdale, sends to the state legislature. At the Congressional level, conservative Republican David Schweikert represents most of the city. I don't think a mostly Democratic city would vote for so many Republicans, several of them of the tea party persuasion.

Scottsdale in general leans Republican, comparable to Chandler on the political spectrum. More conservative than Phoenix, but less than Mesa or Gilbert. South Scottsdale is somewhat more liberal than North Scottsdale.

[Valley Native]

Originally Posted by Java Jolt

It's not just me.

Scottsdale has a national reputation of being snooty and discriminatory against people who don't drive high-end vehicles or don't look or dress a certain way.

It wasn't named Arizona's South Beach for nothing.

It's not that way at all. Furthermore, the nicknames Scottsdale is given (Phoenix's Beverly Hills, Arizona's South Beach, etc.) are completely exaggerated. The downtown/Old Town area is a haven for nightlife, but you don't have to drive a fancy car, flash money around, or wear the latest exorbitantly priced fashions to be accepted there. The atmosphere in most of Scottsdale is a little on the high end side, but I see nothing wrong with that. I'd rather be in Scottsdale than Maryvale, or much of Glendale for that matter. If you were somehow discriminated against or treated rudely by certain people in Scottsdale, then that's their problem for being arrogant jerks.

Originally Posted by theoaks

Money for light rail in the phoenix area should go to education and hiring more teachers !

Better idea: give the money back to the taxpayers to do with it what they see fit. Schools should be paid for by the parents who made the choice to procreate in the first place!

[theoaks]

South Scottsdale, maybe south of McCormick Ranch, is solidly Democrat. Whether that is enough to make the entire city mostly Democrat voters, I don't know . . . but most millenials and 30+ north of Shea in the new lifestyle centers near Kierland and the Quarter are Democrats. But they don't vote in the elections . . .

Yes, I know, they're funded from different sources. But Mr. DiCiccio made a great point.

I'd like to see Arizona spend more money on education and medical care, and establish a new "Western Arizona University" in Lake Havasu. ASU already has a presence in Havasu. The state has a lot of potential along the Colorado River corridor.

[exit2lef]

Originally Posted by theoaks

Yes, I know, they're funded from different sources. But Mr. DiCiccio made a great point.

He made a misleading argument in an unsuccessful attempt to defeat Proposition 104. If Phoenix voters had said no to 104, it would not have resulted in a single dime of additional money for schools. Governor Ducey had already made it clear before the 104 vote that he would not allow any tax increases at the state level, which is where schools are funded.

[ScottsdaleMark]

Originally Posted by theoaks

South Scottsdale, maybe south of McCormick Ranch, is solidly Democrat. Whether that is enough to make the entire city mostly Democrat voters, I don't know . . . but most millenials and 30+ north of Shea in the new lifestyle centers near Kierland and the Quarter are Democrats. But they don't vote in the elections . . .

Yes, I know, they're funded from different sources. But Mr. DiCiccio made a great point.

I'd like to see Arizona spend more money on education and medical care, and establish a new "Western Arizona University" in Lake Havasu. ASU already has a presence in Havasu. The state has a lot of potential along the Colorado River corridor.

Do you have any maps or data for this that lead you to believe this?

I have raw data by precinct and I spot-checked some precincts throughout south and central Scottsdale and they were all pretty either ~50/50 or heavily Republican for the 2012 Presidential election. You are correct, though, that south Scottsdale is the most liberal area according to these results.

Sources: http://apps.azsos.gov/results/2012/general/Maricopa.txt
and
http://recorder.maricopa.gov/Maps2/C...tsWallSize.pdf
and
https://www.maptechnica.com/us-city-...cityid/0465000

Young people always skew liberal, but if they don't vote, then their opinions are of limited impact.

[Pink Jazz]

Originally Posted by ScottsdaleMark

Do you have any maps or data for this that lead you to believe this?

I have raw data by precinct and I spot-checked some precincts throughout south and central Scottsdale and they were all pretty either ~50/50 or heavily Republican for the 2012 Presidential election. You are correct, though, that south Scottsdale is the most liberal area according to these results.

Sources: http://apps.azsos.gov/results/2012/general/Maricopa.txt
and
http://recorder.maricopa.gov/Maps2/C...tsWallSize.pdf
and
https://www.maptechnica.com/us-city-...cityid/0465000

Young people always skew liberal, but if they don't vote, then their opinions are of limited impact.

The political divide in Scottsdale somewhat mirrors Chandler. Like Chandler, the city as a whole leans Republican, but has both portions that are more liberal and more conservative. South Scottsdale and the Kyrene area of Chandler are somewhat more liberal, while northern Scottsdale and Chandler east of the 101 are more conservative.

[cjseliga]

Originally Posted by Pink Jazz

The political divide in Scottsdale somewhat mirrors Chandler. Like Chandler, the city as a whole leans Republican, but has both portions that are more liberal and more conservative. South Scottsdale and the Kyrene area of Chandler are somewhat more liberal, while northern Scottsdale and Chandler east of the 101 are more conservative.

My aunt and uncle have lived in Scottsdale since '78, same house, just north of Vista Dr. and west of Granite Reef and are very conservative (they're retired now). Talking to them, they obviously have seen Scottsdale and the Valley in general explode over the time they have been there and they feel Scottsdale is pretty conservative, with pockets of less conservative here and there.