Phoenix--& Arizona--What's the Attraction? :) (Tucson, Scottsdale: for sale, apartments, rentals)

[Prickly Pear]

Originally Posted by asufan

Are we pretending illegal immigrants are a good thing to have in abundance or am I missing something?

We are arguing diversity. I made the point that Phoenix was segregated (I said Scottsdale was really white, third post on this thread) and people are arguing with me. To be fair it's not different than other American cities, whites in upper class neighborhoods, minorities not so. Tucson is pretty segregated in the sense of the grid lock so the foothills and far east Tucson sort of do their own thing against the Basin. But Tucson does feel more like a minority-majority city and is a lot more in sync with near by Mexico. Sonorans are always in and out of Tucson. I am from West Valley (Surprise/Peoria and Glendale) and Tucson does feel a lot more of a minority-majority city. Tucson also plays more emphasis on this (meaning Tucson's events are centered in the minority-majority Basin and so is most of the city) whereas Phoenix's minority-majority areas are the opposite with more of the white-majority areas being the focus of Phoenix. It's a noticeable difference in vibes, culture, and behavior. One of the biggest differences between the two major cities of the state. And I thought this was a favorable trait of Tucson.

Because Tucson and Phoenix (propers) both have large city limits its hard to take these neighborhood differences into account. Like JG said, the foothills, Tanque Verde, and even West Tucson are all included into the proper and thus into statistics. But quantitative data does not mean that even if two large cities (again, large amount of land) will have similar cultures or vibes even on culture. I probably should've said, "the minority population here in Tucson is much more vibrant and more noticeable, and plays a bigger role in Tucson, and this is a pro I think in comparison to Phoenix which is more white-centric in comparison."

[asufan]

Originally Posted by Prickly Pear

We are arguing diversity. I made the point that Phoenix was segregated (I said Scottsdale was really white, third post on this thread) and people are arguing with me. To be fair it's not different than other American cities, whites in upper class neighborhoods, minorities not so. Tucson is pretty segregated in the sense of the grid lock so the foothills and far east Tucson sort of do their own thing against the Basin. But Tucson does feel more like a minority-majority city and is a lot more in sync with near by Mexico. Sonorans are always in and out of Tucson. I am from West Valley (Surprise/Peoria and Glendale) and Tucson does feel a lot more of a minority-majority city. Tucson also plays more emphasis on this (meaning Tucson's events are centered in the minority-majority Basin and so is most of the city) whereas Phoenix's minority-majority areas are the opposite with more of the white-majority areas being the focus of Phoenix. It's a noticeable difference in vibes, culture, and behavior. One of the biggest differences between the two major cities of the state. And I thought this was a favorable trait of Tucson.

Because Tucson and Phoenix (propers) both have large city limits its hard to take these neighborhood differences into account. Like JG said, the foothills, Tanque Verde, and even West Tucson are all included into the proper and thus into statistics. But quantitative data does not mean that even if two large cities (again, large amount of land) will have similar cultures or vibes even on culture. I probably should've said, "the minority population here in Tucson is much more vibrant and more noticeable, and plays a bigger role in Tucson, and this is a pro I think in comparison to Phoenix which is more white-centric in comparison."

I don't know, I don't think of Tucson as that diverse just because it has a higher percentage of Mexicans. I live in Chandler and we have actual diversity (White, Latino, Asian, African American). It merely sounds like you don't like neighborhoods with a high percentage of white people.

[Obadno]

Originally Posted by Renegade007

This poses an interesting question: What exactly DOES define Phoenix?

Snowbirds? Golf courses? Apart from sunshine and beautiful weather, there really is no stand out attraction that comes to my mind. It's not like we have famous pizza or Chinese food. And we have no world famous buildings or attractions (sorry, but the Westward Ho hotel doesn't count). I mean something like an Eiffel Tower, or Statue of Liberty, or Mann's Chinese Theater in Hollywood. We can't even lay claim to being the gateway to the Grand Canyon. Williams already has that title. So... maybe it's the cactus?

I don't think it has a definition yet, its still a place in formation. A place that was literally nothing until the very very recent past.


Maybe that's what appeals to a lot of us and not others. Some people like to come to a place where everything is in order, they love the culture that exists and want to be a part of it. Others like to trail blaze.

[jlawrence01]

Originally Posted by ElleTea

The person you quoted said they will be paying half in AZ of what they paid in IL. That is the not-outrageous part. I also found registration to be less here, and I like the ability to register for 2 years instead of every year.

That is correct. I am paying less than half of what I used to pay for car registration.

Some people read the posts. (thank you.) Some people react.

[JGMotorsport64]

Originally Posted by asufan

I don't know, I don't think of Tucson as that diverse just because it has a higher percentage of Mexicans. I live in Chandler and we have actual diversity (White, Latino, Asian, African American). It merely sounds like you don't like neighborhoods with a high percentage of white people.

Instead of positing what we think neighborhoods consist of, why not use this here map

The Racial Dot Map: One Dot Per Person for the Entire U.S.


This should answer all of our questions.

One might notice some of the very similar population trends between our two metropolitan areas.

[asufan]

Originally Posted by JGMotorsport64

Instead of positing what we think neighborhoods consist of, why not use this here map

The Racial Dot Map: One Dot Per Person for the Entire U.S.


This should answer all of our questions.

One might notice some of the very similar population trends between our two metropolitan areas.

Oh I'm not actually concerned with what neighborhood has what, I was just curious how having a lot of Mexicans equates to diversity, that's all

[JGMotorsport64]

Originally Posted by asufan

Oh I'm not actually concerned with what neighborhood has what, I was just curious how having a lot of Mexicans equates to diversity, that's all

It really doesn't, but I find that map fascinating.

[Kevloves]

Originally Posted by Hschlick84

California meets Texas mashup? Arizona wants to culturally be like California with a western theme but have an economic platform like Texas.

That sounds about right Lol.

[43north87west]

Originally Posted by Renegade007

This poses an interesting question: What exactly DOES define Phoenix?

This kind of question belongs in the DFW forum. If you want an area without definition, DFW wins. Phoenix has all sorts of things that make it unique, with weather and location being only a couple of them.

DFW has .

[Prickly Pear]

Originally Posted by JGMotorsport64

Instead of positing what we think neighborhoods consist of, why not use this here map

The Racial Dot Map: One Dot Per Person for the Entire U.S.


This should answer all of our questions.

One might notice some of the very similar population trends between our two metropolitan areas.

This map only proves my point that people kept refuting earlier that Scottsdale is very white especially when comparing to the other suburbs. But Scottsdale is the apple of Phoenix's eye. The Foothills are not the apple and focus of Tucson.