Woaahhh, culture shocked, Phoenix is much larger than i thought (Scottsdale: buying, live in)

[BIG CATS]

Originally Posted by locolife

If Camelback and Piestawa are "real mountains" so is South Mountain which has a higher prominence then both of those, also you leave off the most prominent range in Phoenix, the Sierra Estrella.

Higher elevations don't really mean squat, dude. Some states' highest points (ie IL, NB, etc) are flat as a pancake. South Mountain might have higher elevation than Camelback, but its base-to-summit is much smaller. I have a German coworker who moved here and chuckles at the fact that South Mountain is called a mountain. He says "that's a hill in Germany". I agree. Most of the "mountains" within the city are just large, rocky hills.

[locolife]

Originally Posted by BIG CATS

Higher elevations don't really mean squat, dude. Some states' highest points (ie IL, NB, etc) are flat as a pancake. South Mountain might have higher elevation than Camelback, but its base-to-summit is much smaller. I have a German coworker who moved here and chuckles at the fact that South Mountain is called a mountain. He says "that's a hill in Germany". I agree. Most of the "mountains" within the city are just large, rocky hills.

Dude, re-read what I said. I quoted prominence, not max elevation... SHEESH.

[locolife]

Originally Posted by FirebirdCamaro1220

PIR is a different case, it is at the edge of the reservation and right next to Avondale, the Estrella's on the other hand are much further out of the way. I bet you consider the Lewis prison to be in the metro as well (the one on 85 between Buckeye and Gila Bend)

I consider the entire WORLD part of Metro Phoenix, there was just an article about this. Get with the times...

[Valley Native]

Originally Posted by locolife

Uh huh.... sure, they're just hills, I'd like to see you huff and puff up a few of them for an hour and tell me again how they're just hills.

I'd like to see you huff and puff on REAL mountains. Ever hike in the Bradshaws, Escudilla Mountain in eastern AZ, or the San Juan Mountains in Colorado? Now, those are true mountains: tall and majestic with real wilderness, not just low lying brown hills in the middle of a large metro area. Obviously, many amateurs can't even handle our so called mountain trails when paramedics have to constantly rescue their overheated rumps, wasting the paramedics' time, as well as wasting our tax dollars!

[timothyaw]

Originally Posted by locolife

If Camelback and Piestawa are "real mountains" so is South Mountain which has a higher prominence then both of those, also you leave off the most prominent range in Phoenix, the Sierra Estrella.

The sierra range tops everything else in the valley for prominence at 3,215 feet. South Mountain beats out Camelback, Superstitions, McDowells and Piestawa which doesn't even make the top 100 list for prominence in Arizona.

The mountains we have here are just perfect if you ask me, we've got great access issues thanks to zero national forest existence and you can put together epic hikes/bike rides right in the middle and all around the country's 12th largest metro area. There are very few other large cities in the country where that can be accomplished.

Although way far east, we have the Four Peaks. That's a beautiful mountain range.

[FirebirdCamaro1220]

Originally Posted by Valley Native

I'd like to see you huff and puff on REAL mountains. Ever hike in the Bradshaws, Escudilla Mountain in eastern AZ, or the San Juan Mountains in Colorado? Now, those are true mountains: tall and majestic with real wilderness, not just low lying brown hills in the middle of a large metro area. Obviously, many amateurs can't even handle our so called mountain trails when paramedics have to constantly rescue their overheated rumps, wasting the paramedics' time, as well as wasting our tax dollars!

I hiked Kendrick in the San Francisco's back in September of 06. Trail is 4.5 miles one way with a 2,000ft elevation gain (8,000 base, 10,000 summit)

[locolife]

Originally Posted by Valley Native

I'd like to see you huff and puff on REAL mountains. Ever hike in the Bradshaws, Escudilla Mountain in eastern AZ, or the San Juan Mountains in Colorado? Now, those are true mountains: tall and majestic with real wilderness, not just low lying brown hills in the middle of a large metro area. Obviously, many amateurs can't even handle our so called mountain trails when paramedics have to constantly rescue their overheated rumps, wasting the paramedics' time, as well as wasting our tax dollars!

"real" wilderness lol.... when a rattler bites your ass you'll feel like you're in the wild reallly damn quick.

I've hiked/biked in 25 states and 5 countries, grew up in Utah and spent countless weekends all over the "real wilderness" in WY, ID, NM, CO, NV and many other places. I'll be logging over 250,000' of vertical this year and it's an off year for me due to some medical issues. Phoenix is a killer homebase for outdoor lovers who also need a day job.

As a native I'd expect you to know much more about the valley's "hills" but a lot of people never bother to open their eyes.

Happy trails amigo

[locolife]

Originally Posted by timothyaw

Although way far east, we have the Four Peaks. That's a beautiful mountain range.

4 peaks is awesome, love the view from the top of browns after you hit the treeline. I've got a lot of friends in the middle of the country who would give anything to have something like 4 peaks as close as we do here.

[locolife]

Originally Posted by FirebirdCamaro1220

I hiked Kendrick in the San Francisco's back in September of 06. Trail is 4.5 miles one way with a 2,000ft elevation gain (8,000 base, 10,000 summit)

Have you done humphrys yet?

[FirebirdCamaro1220]

Originally Posted by locolife

Have you done humphrys yet?

No, probably won't anytime soon either, is Humphrey's like Agassiz where you can't go past the tree line in summer?