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Old 06-05-2021, 09:36 PM
 
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Cal is a mess. I mentioned in another thread the Phx metro might not be the 1st choice for those fleeing Cal. but it certainly is within the top 5.

Don't know where the cost of housing in the Phx metro will ultimately settle...but I saw this coming.
Interesting that a “mess” is so expensive. Most everyone I know that have left CA couldn’t afford a house. Now many people can’t afford one in Phoenix either. Next stop, Oklahoma...
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Old 06-05-2021, 11:19 PM
 
Location: az
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Interesting that a “mess” is so expensive. Most everyone I know that have left CA couldn’t afford a house. Now many people can’t afford one in Phoenix either. Next stop, Oklahoma...
Well, 53,000 Californians who may or may not have been able to afford a home in Cal. moved here in 2018/2019
https://www.thecentersquare.com/cali...1eeeab5b6.html

Wonder many moved after 2020?

But yes...if you can't afford the Phx metro perhaps Oklahoma: #1. We have a low cost of living.
https://www.onlyinyourstate.com/okla...ns-to-move-ok/

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Old 06-06-2021, 10:29 AM
 
Location: Live:Downtown Phoenix, AZ/Work:Greater Los Angeles, CA
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Well, 53,000 Californians who may or may not have been able to afford a home in Cal. moved here in 2018/2019
https://www.thecentersquare.com/cali...1eeeab5b6.html

Wonder many moved after 2020?

But yes...if you can't afford the Phx metro perhaps Oklahoma: #1. We have a low cost of living.
https://www.onlyinyourstate.com/okla...ns-to-move-ok/
Wow, that pro-Oklahoma CoC website was depressing
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Old 06-06-2021, 10:38 AM
 
Location: az
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Wow, that pro-Oklahoma CoC website was depressing

Well, if the Phx metro has become too pricy than... perhaps it's time to look elsewhere.
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Old 06-06-2021, 12:05 PM
 
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We've been hearing this ever since the 1960s & '70s. There was even a strong NIMBY movement back then to stop California styled freeways from being built because they thought resistance to freeways would slow the growth. Turned out that the Phoenix area still grew rapidly, and we ended up with decades of intense gridlock due to a lack of freeways. In reality, it's doubtful that Phoenix will ever equal the size of L.A., but there have always been similarities in other aspects due to our somewhat close proximity.
Apparently, this was Tucson's approach to the highway system. And, now it's dreadful driving from one end of town to the other. The only thing saving Phoenix from becoming another LA perhaps are the reservations. Just thinking out loud here. If it weren't for the reservations Phoenix would be much bigger now I am thinking. While lacking proper water sources to boot.
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Old 06-06-2021, 03:43 PM
 
Location: East Central Phoenix
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But yes...if you can't afford the Phx metro perhaps Oklahoma: #1. We have a low cost of living.
https://www.onlyinyourstate.com/okla...ns-to-move-ok/
No thanks! Oklahoma is similar to Texas in many ways, but Texas at least has thriving, prosperous cities. To me, Oklahoma City and Tulsa seem like oversized small towns with kind of a redneck culture.

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Apparently, this was Tucson's approach to the highway system. And, now it's dreadful driving from one end of town to the other. The only thing saving Phoenix from becoming another LA perhaps are the reservations. Just thinking out loud here. If it weren't for the reservations Phoenix would be much bigger now I am thinking. While lacking proper water sources to boot.
Reservations don't necessarily halt expansive growth. In fact, they have a way of encouraging "leapfrog sprawl", which is actually worse. I believe the sprawl factor might be one thing which prevents Phoenix from being an L.A. sized metro. Fewer people want to live in a far flung exurban area anymore. Another thing which could be a factor is the desert environment. Many people find our hot, arid climate to be far less appealing than the Mediterranean climate of coastal CA for obvious reasons.
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Old 06-06-2021, 04:08 PM
 
Location: TUS/PDX
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No thanks! Oklahoma is similar to Texas in many ways, but Texas at least has thriving, prosperous cities. To me, Oklahoma City and Tulsa seem like oversized small towns with kind of a redneck culture.
What? You don't find being on the roads with oil patch bros driving comically oversized, six figure priced pickup trucks on your bumper appealing? The only thing more fun is their office counterparts careening around in new Porches that can barely control. I've always thought OK City was like handing a half-a-million hillbillies a winning lottery ticket and standing back to see all they ways they can blow it. The results speak for themselves.

(plus they seem downright proud their NBA team is nothing more than stolen goods)
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Old 06-06-2021, 04:14 PM
 
Location: Live:Downtown Phoenix, AZ/Work:Greater Los Angeles, CA
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What? You don't find being on the roads with oil patch bros driving comically oversized, six figure priced pickup trucks on your bumper appealing? The only thing more fun is their office counterparts careening around in new Porches that can barely control. I've always thought OK City was like handing a half-a-million hillbillies a winning lottery ticket and standing back to see all they ways they can blow it. The results speak for themselves.

(plus they seem downright proud their NBA team is nothing more than stolen goods)
Pretty sure New Orleans felt the same way when the Jazz moved to Salt Lake.City, and Baltimore felt the same way when the Colts moved to Indianapolis literally in the middle of the night
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Old 06-06-2021, 04:32 PM
 
Location: TUS/PDX
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Pretty sure New Orleans felt the same way when the Jazz moved to Salt Lake.City, and Baltimore felt the same way when the Colts moved to Indianapolis literally in the middle of the night
I suppose, but in both of those cases reparations were made. No matter, until Seattle gets an NBA team the Thunder will be cursed and deservingly so...
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Old 06-07-2021, 01:41 PM
 
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I believe the sprawl factor might be one thing which prevents Phoenix from being an L.A. sized metro. Fewer people want to live in a far flung exurban area anymore.
Kinda what we see now with San Tan/Queen Creek and Maricopa areas of the east valley.

I understand the less expensive housing perspective. However, one of the reasons I decided years ago not to consider San Tan/Queen Creek and Maricopa was it's too damn far out and the roads were essentially non-existent or inadequate. Still feel that way today. One accident on the 347 ties up everything for hours.
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