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Old 03-07-2022, 11:19 AM
 
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Although some people may not want to use the light rail to get to venue's in the downtown core, it is very easy and convenient to get down there from certain parts of the valley.
Maybe. But most people won't use mass transit. So when you take that out of the equation, it just makes sense to build venues on the outskirts of a city.
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Old 03-07-2022, 11:45 AM
 
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Maybe. But most people won't use mass transit. So when you take that out of the equation, it just makes sense to build venues on the outskirts of a city.
Why? Hasn't Westgate proven that to be a failed approach? If you build on on the western fringe, all those in the central and east have a long drive to attend events. If you centralize, they should be within relative reach to all. Plus, our central core is rapidly becoming more of a residential hub as well.
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Old 03-07-2022, 12:31 PM
 
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[quote=Valley Native;63019795]You're correct about the sprawl, but every major metro area has sprawl to some extent. In fact, quite a few have more extensive sprawl than Phoenix's metro does. What I personally find annoying about Phoenix's sprawl is the "leapfrog" aspect of it, and how a fair share of employment centers & entertainment venues aren't centrally located like they are in most other cities. Westgate is a perfect example. City North is another example. Who wants to spend a significant amount of time commuting in the car to see a game or a comedy club? I don't ... unless it's something I was overwhelmingly interested in.

Yeah, that's a good point. If Central Phoenix and Midtown Phoenix and High Street and Desert Ridge Marketplace and the Musical Instrument Museum and the Cardinals stadium and Westgate were all near each other, Phoenix would feel more centralized.
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Old 03-07-2022, 12:34 PM
 
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Why do people act like the suburban sprawl of the Phoenix metro is really that much different than anywhere else? The suburban sprawl of northern VA, especially Fairfax and ESPECIALLY Loudon County is very similar to phoenix just not on a grid and different style houses with more grass but same chain restaurants and strip malls on every corner. This is repeated across the country in any suburban area built in the last 30 years.
Those are suburbs. Everybody expects suburbs to look like that. Here it's Phoenix, the fifth biggest (I think?) city in the country, that's essentially a gigantic suburb. That's improved a lot over the years, but still, the vast sprawl is largely still the city of Phoenix.
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Old 03-07-2022, 12:52 PM
 
Location: South Dakota
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But do they like your pink polo shirts from JC Penny?
Why did you say that???
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Old 03-07-2022, 01:42 PM
 
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Why did you say that???
Don't hit your head too hard.

https://www.city-data.com/forum/phoen...n-costume.html

One of many. They have a similar, um, style...
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Old 03-07-2022, 01:52 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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Sixteen years ago when we arrived in PHX, I was told that people come here to reinvent themselves or to die. It was true then and it’s true now.

Arizona for us lacks cultural and racial diversity. Public transportation is a joke. The air is nasty. Restaurants mostly mediocre. The snowbirds are beyond irritating. The politics are ridiculous. It keeps getting hotter and hotter.

Our house is divided but one of us would really like to leave.
Sounds like either coast would fill the bill for you. Either that or low-rent public housing in any state - you'll get "diversified" in short order
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Old 03-07-2022, 04:47 PM
 
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Phoenix is the 5th largest city in the country but has the cultural offerings of a mid tier city like Charlotte or Sacramento. Yeah other cities have sprawl but its super pronounced in Phoenix. Phoenix doesn't even really have proper city neighborhoods, the suburbs like Scottsdale and Chandler are the neighborhoods.
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Old 03-07-2022, 06:51 PM
 
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Phoenix is the 5th largest city in the country but has the cultural offerings of a mid tier city like Charlotte or Sacramento. Yeah other cities have sprawl but its super pronounced in Phoenix. Phoenix doesn't even really have proper city neighborhoods, the suburbs like Scottsdale and Chandler are the neighborhoods.
Do Melrose, Roosevelt and Arcadia not count as “proper city neighborhoods” for some reason?
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Old 03-08-2022, 01:26 AM
 
Location: PHX -> ATL
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Do Melrose, Roosevelt and Arcadia not count as “proper city neighborhoods” for some reason?
Depends if those neighborhoods have universally agreed upon borders. Melrose and Roosevelt do, but Arcadia does not, given that realtors keep trying to market “Arcadia lite” which has never, ever been an area, and only a tag on to try to increase property values, and now no one can agree on what is Arcadia anymore.

Us long term residents know better but since we are outranked in population by new transplants what we say doesn’t matter, what they learn from marketers do.
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