macro 90mm tamron and nikon 105mm vr (Sony, d30, lenses)
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
marilyn and i went out to do some macro shooting yesterday. i took the d300 and nikon 105mm vr and she used the d80 with tamron 90mm.threw in the bee also to show no difference in capability between both lenses..they are both as good as it gets. the nikon is double the price of the tamron though because its full frame with a fx camera and it has vr at non macro ranges.
thanks... one of the benefits of NOT using the 60mm macro is the longer ranges seem to work better with the flash on top of camera as you have more room for the flash to spread out .
i used a sb-900 and marilyn an sb-800 both on top of camera .
we shot in manual on the camera so we could darken the background and use the flash to expose the subject thereby freezing any motion ... we both were around 1/200 , f11-F22 ,iso 200
we would vary the aperture to get the background look we wanted , ranging from black to bright... we would then fine tune the flash power for the subject. usually a -1 flash compensation worked well.
You can see thru out all the photos how we manually controlled the background, it ranges from black in some to very bright and detailed in others..
that is the importance of learning to take your camera off the automatic settings and learn to use it in manual.. you cant do that in automatic as the camera will only expose one way , bright.
I love that I at least understand some of what you're say here. I have some questions if you don't mind.
Quote:
Originally Posted by mathjak107
thanks... one of the benefits of NOT using the 60mm macro is the longer ranges seem to work better with the flash on top of camera as you have more room for the flash to spread out .
i used a sb-900 and marilyn an sb-800 both on top of camera .
Ok, so this is a flash you buy to attach to your camera as opposed to a built in lol. What's the difference with using it on top vs not, and why doesn't it work as well with the 60mm? Does the type of flash matter? all created equal? Anything on the cheap side you can recommend for multi-purpose?
Quote:
we shot in manual on the camera so we could darken the background and use the flash to expose the subject thereby freezing any motion ... we both were around 1/200 , f11-F22 ,iso 200
Do you have this information in your head prior to shooting or do you just play around? I have such a hard time remembering what's good for whatever situation.
Quote:
we would vary the aperture to get the background look we wanted , ranging from black to bright...
I think this might, sort of, answer my question above. Or at least would be helpful as far as learning goes. Just play with the apeture. I always find myself playing with the shutter instead. It seems easier.
Quote:
we would then fine tune the flash power for the subject. usually a -1 flash compensation worked well.
This is probably in the menu section and I've never played with it.
Quote:
You can see thru out all the photos how we manually controlled the background, it ranges from black in some to very bright and detailed in others..
that is the importance of learning to take your camera off the automatic settings and learn to use it in manual.. you cant do that in automatic as the camera will only expose one way , bright.
I love your 3rd pic of flowers and of course, the bee.
okay here we go: the built in flash on the camera isnt powerful enough to be the dominant light during the day and freeze things. you need a good external flash .
i dont know about cannon but on nikon the built in flash only operates in whats called balanced mode. thats where it only attempts to balance the flash with the ambiant light. not good enough for having the flash take over in daytime.
heres what i taught marilyn to do.
put the camera in manual mode and turn off auto iso... with the flash turned off take some test shots , start with the camera around 1/200th or as fast as the flash sync speed on your camera will allow.
play with the aperture getting the photo very dark. f11-f16 usually is the working range on a sunny day,
when it looks the way you want as far as the darkness of the photo turn on the flash.
use the flash compensation dial now to adjust the well exposed picture the way you want.
the flash which operates at around 1/10,000 of a second will now be the dominant light and stop any blurring from motion.
the problem with having the flash on top of the camera is with a 60mm you are so close that some flashes will actually get the shadow of the lens in the photo or shoot over the top of the subject because its mounted higher on top of the camera.
the further back you go the more the light blends so i like 90 or 105mm. after 105mm im not happy with the flatness you get at 180mm as it tends to give you a flattened telephoto look
the important thing to remember with ttl flash especially on nikon is you have two exposure systems going on. the camera exposes for the background without considering the flash, the flash has its own self contained exposure metering system that exposes for the subject seperatly.
as far as buying a flash what camera do you have?
Last edited by mathjak107; 09-09-2010 at 03:36 AM..
one other thing,we usually use 200 iso.... the slow iso speed is irrelevant as the flash is exposing the photo at a superfast speed and 200 is the best quality with the d80 and d300...
marilyn and i went out to do some macro shooting yesterday. i took the d300 and nikon 105mm vr and she used the d80 with tamron 90mm.threw in the bee also to show no difference in capability between both lenses..they are both as good as it gets. the nikon is double the price of the tamron though because its full frame with a fx camera and it has vr at non macro ranges.
The Tamron 90mm/2.8 is a full frame lens, as is Tamron 180mm/3.5. The latest addition to the macro lineup by Tamron (60mm/2.0) is the only one designed for APS-C. I received my Tamron 90mm/2.8 last night and haven't had any time to explore its potential yet. This is my first 1:1 macro lens and can't wait to put it to use. Although, researching into a good tripod/head is in order exclusively geared for macro.
Finally, I got a chance to play with the Tamron 90mm/2.8, but not before the sun was out for more than an hour! So, this is a long exposure shot (3.2s) with Sony A55 in available light on the east side of the house...
Can't wait to put this lens to good use, in friendlier lighting conditions.
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.
Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
I have some questions if you don't mind.
