Is Pittsburgh America's Most Livable City? - Parts 1 & 2 (Reading: sales, unemployment)

[gg]

Originally Posted by squarian

Maybe you could re-read my remarks. You'll see I'm not suggesting it's the amount of money which makes them "old money", but (naturally) the age of it. As for the modest style of your Mellon acquaintance, you'll see that that is precisely the point I am making above.

I know you agreed about old money is more subtle, but I was hoping you didn't have the view that you need to be in Mellon's class to be considered having money.

I must have misunderstood and just saw the "Mellon" name.

[Aqua Teen Carl]

I think people are are over complicating the whole segregation/de-segregation thing. There's a pretty simple reason why there are black neighborhoods and white neighborhoods: people like people like themselves.

[Katarina Witt]

I looked up this "10 Most Segregated Cities" story in Salon magazine. Their methodology was to take the 102 cities with a metro population of 500,000+ and look at housing patterns. So the title should really be, "10 Most Segregated Cities by Housing". Pittsburgh is not in the top 10%, but we don't know if it's #11 or #102. I could not find a full list. What is more telling about Pittsburgh, I think, is that it has never had a mayor who was a member of a minority group, or even, according to what I read on CD recently, an elected mayor who was not of Irish ancestry.

[KingKrab]

Originally Posted by Katiana

I looked up this "10 Most Segregated Cities" story in Salon magazine. Their methodology was to take the 102 cities with a metro population of 500,000+ and look at housing patterns. So the title should really be, "10 Most Segregated Cities by Housing". Pittsburgh is not in the top 10%, but we don't know if it's #11 or #102. I could not find a full list. What is more telling about Pittsburgh, I think, is that it has never had a mayor who was a member of a minority group, or even, according to what I read on CD recently, an elected mayor who was not of Irish ancestry.

Where does Denver rank? It seems to be a more utopia out there with blacks and whites living together. Highlands Ranch and 5 Points are totally unrecognizable.

Truth is, I never ever, lived in a city that was blended. Even here in Small Berks county there are white areas like Kenhorst, Wyomissing, and the hispanic and black areas in Reading. There are certain areas though like Manhattan, Center City Philly, that do have a blended cultural areas, however this is not true of the whole cities themselves.

[HillsHollow]

Originally Posted by Katiana

I looked up this "10 Most Segregated Cities" story in Salon magazine. Their methodology was to take the 102 cities with a metro population of 500,000+ and look at housing patterns. So the title should really be, "10 Most Segregated Cities by Housing". Pittsburgh is not in the top 10%, but we don't know if it's #11 or #102. I could not find a full list. What is more telling about Pittsburgh, I think, is that it has never had a mayor who was a member of a minority group, or even, according to what I read on CD recently, an elected mayor who was not of Irish ancestry.

Sophie Masloff. Not Irish. First Jewish Mayor of Pittsburgh too if I remember my reading correctly. If I remember correctly she was a ground breaker being a female mayor in the early 1980's too.

Let’s face it Pittsburgh is a one party city and the D’s know that. Instead of defaulting to the D’s. If you don’t feel you have a voice you maybe people should seriously give the other party a shot. It seems to be a strategic move other minorities are trying with great success.

[Katarina Witt]

Originally Posted by WestReadingGangsta

Where does Denver rank? It seems to be a more utopia out there with blacks and whites living together. Highlands Ranch and 5 Points are totally unrecognizable.

Truth is, I never ever, lived in a city that was blended. Even here in Small Berks county there are white areas like Kenhorst, Wyomissing, and the hispanic and black areas in Reading. There are certain areas though like Manhattan, Center City Philly, that do have a blended cultural areas, however this is not true of the whole cities themselves.

Don't know. The only listed the top 10 in order of segregation. Denver had a Hispanic mayor for 8 years back in the 80s/early 90s, and a black mayor for 12 years in the 90s/early 2000s. It looks like it may get another black mayor next week.

I wouldn't call Denver "utopia" by a long shot, but it's not as segregated as a lot of other cities.

[Katarina Witt]

Originally Posted by HillsHollow

Sophie Masloff. Not Irish. First Jewish Mayor of Pittsburgh too if I remember my reading correctly. If I remember correctly she was a ground breaker being a female mayor in the early 1980's too.

Let’s face it Pittsburgh is a one party city and the D’s know that. Instead of defaulting to the D’s. If you don’t feel you have a voice you maybe people should seriously give the other party a shot. It seems to be a strategic move other minorities are trying with great success.

Masloff was appointed mayor upon the death of the previous mayor, as she was city council president.

I didn't research this all, that's why I qualified my post by saying according to what I read on CD.

Sophie Masloff - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[Caladium]

Originally Posted by SteelCityRising

I never said parts of NoVA are "primarily" Hispanic or Asian.

Fair enough. You used the words "dense concentration" which has a similar implication as "primarily." It doesn't change my point--however, you are right that you did not use the word "primarily".

So, for the sake of using the exact words, and to be crystal clear, let me try again: There are no areas in northern VA that have dense concentrations of Asian, Hispanic, or Black people. At the same time, to be clear, there is a very large population of Asian, Hispanic, and Black people in northern Virginia, as well as a huge number of people who would say they belong to several or all of those groups. The explanation is that the races are all spread fairly evenly throughout the area and there are an unusually high number of mixed families, as well.

Originally Posted by SteelCityRising

would you please mind telling me how you jumped from "A" (the sentence within my reply I underlined, bolded, and italicized) to "B" (the sentence within your reply I underlined, bolded, and italicized)?

I'm glad it was a misunderstanding.

It's not a big deal, just a matter of a sentence that sounded like it meant something you did not intend. However, since you asked for an explanation of how someone draws the conclusion that I did, I'll do my best. The sentence in question is "While NoVA was diverse in terms of Hispanic and Asian descents there wasn't really anywhere with a dense concentration of black professionals." Your point might have been more clear if those had been two separate sentences, since they involve two different thoughts. For example, you could have said "NoVA is diverse in terms of blacks, Hispanics and Asians. There isn't really isn't a dense concentration of black professionals that you find in other cities." By writing that sentence in the way that you did, you made an implication that there are places in Nova that have dense concentrations of Asians and Hispanic people. As noted above, I disagree with this implication. There's also a possible implication in your sentence that there may not be that many Black people in Nova. I'm sure that was not your intention, but to be crystal clear there is a large population of Black people there, as well. Hope that clears it up. It's not a big deal--I make lots of writing errors, too--but you wanted an explanation, so there it is.

[Aqua Teen Carl]

Please take the talks of Northern Virginia to its designated forum. I see them in the Pittsburgh forum all too often.

[beaumecpdx]

On my recent visit, I found Pittsburgh to be well integrated for the most part, although i only saw one person of asian decent and did not see anyone that looked like they were of hispanic origin. It seemed mostly a black and white city, but in the many neighborhoods I explored, they all seemed integrated and safe. I did not explore the suburbs or Oakland/Shadyside, so i cant speak of those areas, but from Mt. Washington, to Mt. oliver, to Lawrenceville and the northside, I noticed a nice co-mingling. Loved it.